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The first question is going to be: do Germans pronounce Lust and Lüste differently?

(2013 Jun 19 21:09)Whiteruthenian Wrote: [ -> ]The first question is going to be: do Germans pronounce Lust and Lüste differently?

Yes, of course. Wherever you see an Umlaut you have to pronounce it like ... well, like it has to be pronounced. Umlauts are own phonemes. In that case they are even specifically used to signalise the plural (not grammatically, but etymologically).

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(2013 Jun 19 21:17)Aptrgangr Wrote: [ -> ]...

Thank you.

(2013 Jun 19 21:15)Temnozor Wrote: [ -> ]Wherever you see an Umlaut you have to pronounce it like ... well, like it has to be pronounced. Umlauts are own phonemes.

I guessed so because I see the difference in spelling. But you probably understand that to me my own question sounded like: ду Джёрманс пронаўнс Люст энд Люстэ діфэрэнтлі?

(2013 Jun 19 21:38)Whiteruthenian Wrote: [ -> ]I guessed so because I see the difference in spelling. But you probably understand that to me my own question sounded like: ду Джёрманс пронаўнс Люст энд Люстэ діфэрэнтлі?

Yeah, you mess the whole thing up if you apply Slavic phonetics to it, as we don't have that neutral German "l". With a Slavic "л" it's either hard (луст) or soft (люст) and both are wrong. You need a neutal "l" followed by a proper "u" / "ü" here. To pronounce "ü" correctly just try to say "и" and round your lips while doing so.

^East Slavic I mean, as I recently learned that other Slavs (Croatians) use a neutral "l" too.

If there are any speakers of Swedish on here, how do you pronounce 'jag'? From all of the mainstream things I've seen, most pronounce it as 'ja'. Which way is the more preferred way?

(2013 Jun 19 21:09)Whiteruthenian Wrote: [ -> ]The first question is going to be: do Germans pronounce Lust and Lüste differently?

That's like asking to a Russian 'Do you pronounce быть and бить differently? Beat that bit.

(2013 Jun 19 23:22)Arnau Wrote: [ -> ]That's like asking to a Russian 'Do you pronounce быть and бить differently?

Hey, languages change, and orthographies are more conservative than phonetic systems. So a little probability, that the Germans 'have forgotten' the difference between lu and lü, while keeping the distinction in writing, still existed.

(2013 Jun 19 23:22)Arnau Wrote: [ -> ]Beat that bit.

The Moscow linguistic school must die. The Leningrad linguistic school forever! According to the latter ы and и are the same phoneme, thus the difference between быть and бить is the quality of the b, non-palatalized in быть and palatalized in бить.

The answer is 'yes'. The 'b' in бить is pronounced with a palatal secondary articulation. Hope it helps.

Quote:Yes, of course. Wherever you see an Umlaut you have to pronounce it like ... well, like it has to be pronounced.

Oh, by the way, I should have mentioned that you not only have to pronounce "ü" that way. In Greek and Latin loanwords and names Germans pronounce "y" like "ü" as well, like in Olympiade (Olümpiade), Lykurgus (Lükurgus), Mythos (Müthos), Lyra (Lüra) etc. That's pretty important actually.