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Scotland, Catalonia... and Venice?
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A Venezia una giornata storica. L’inizio di un glorioso cammino. I numeri non sono importanti, ma non si devono trascurare, anche se purtroppo fonti diverse danno responsi diversi. Chi dirà 1000, chi dirà 2000 o 3000, chi dice di meno e chi dice di più.

Di certo e di fondamentale è che a Venezia i veneti che manifestavano per l’indipendenza erano tanti, ma tanti e molto motivati. Per chi, come il sottoscritto, ha più storia dietro che davanti è stata una resurrezione di antichi sentimenti e di profonde emozioni. Le bandiere, gli slogan, l’entusiasmo dei giovani che non conoscevano l’origine veneta del motto “via da Roma”, i sorrisi dei più anziani che hanno visto spuntare nuovamente il sogno di un Veneto in grado di tagliare le catene di una sgradita sudditanza, sono state solo alcune delle sfumature che hanno caratterizzato la manifestazione veneziana.

Read more here: L'Indipendenza: A Venezia è stata una giornata storica per l'indipendenza

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Previous to the rally, in English:

Mass rally in Venice to call for independence from Italy

Two centuries after Napoleonic forces snuffed out the 1,000-year Venetian Republic, Venetians are once again aspiring to become an independent state.

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The Telegraph: Mass rally in Venice to call for independence
2012 Oct 09 02:52
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RE: Scotland, Catalonia... and Venice?
Might be a hasty decision, they will need somewhere to move when their place is flooded by water.
2012 Oct 09 09:35
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RE: Scotland, Catalonia... and Venice?
They'll be just resuming that which was interrupted by Napoleon in 1797.

The Republic of Venice (Italian: Repubblica di Venezia, Venetian: Repùblica Vèneta or Repùblica de Venesia) was a state originating from the city of Venice in Northeastern Italy. It existed for over a millennium, from the late 7th century until 1797. It was formally known as the Most Serene Republic of Venice (Italian: Serenissima Repubblica di Venezia, Venetian: Serenìsima Repùblica Vèneta or Repùblica de Venesia) and is often referred to as La Serenissima, in reference to its title as one of the "Most Serene Republics". The Republic's modern reputation is widely based on its preference for economic supremacy over military might, despite its long history of war and conquest.




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RE: Scotland, Catalonia... and Venice?
(2012 Oct 09 09:35)Kristel Wrote:  Might be a hasty decision, they will need somewhere to move when their place is flooded by water.
I love your sarcasm, but it appears to me angry Slovenes and Croats are the bigger concern for Venezian nationalists... Big Grin

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RE: Scotland, Catalonia... and Venice?
People manifesting belong to a tiny pary of extremist which counts nothing in italian politics. They just want independence for the Veneto region, not for the whole of Northern Italy as we belonging to the Lega Nord want.
2012 Oct 09 20:50
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RE: Scotland, Catalonia... and Venice?
How legitimate is the phrasing of the article about Vivaldi in Wikipedia?

"Antonio Lucio Vivaldi Italian pronunciation: [anˈtɔːnjo ˈluːtʃo viˈvaldi] (4 March 1678 – 28 July 1741), nicknamed il Prete Rosso ("The Red Priest") because of his red hair, was an Italian Baroque composer, priest, and virtuoso violinist, born in Venice."

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RE: Scotland, Catalonia... and Venice?
(2012 Oct 09 21:27)Zephyr Wrote:  How legitimate is the phrasing of the article about Vivaldi in Wikipedia?

"Antonio Lucio Vivaldi Italian pronunciation: [anˈtɔːnjo ˈluːtʃo viˈvaldi] (4 March 1678 – 28 July 1741), nicknamed il Prete Rosso ("The Red Priest") because of his red hair, was an Italian Baroque composer, priest, and virtuoso violinist, born in Venice."

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Guess what I feel when I often see the Catalan kings of Aragon or the authors of the great medieval Catalan literature classified in several sources as Spanish... sad

Or the great Occitan troubadours classified as "Southern French".
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(2012 Oct 25 18:23)Arnau Wrote:  
(2012 Oct 09 21:27)Zephyr Wrote:  How legitimate is the phrasing of the article about Vivaldi in Wikipedia?

"Antonio Lucio Vivaldi Italian pronunciation: [anˈtɔːnjo ˈluːtʃo viˈvaldi] (4 March 1678 – 28 July 1741), nicknamed il Prete Rosso ("The Red Priest") because of his red hair, was an Italian Baroque composer, priest, and virtuoso violinist, born in Venice."

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Guess what I feel when I often see the Catalan kings of Aragon or the authors of the great medieval Catalan literature classified in several sources as Spanish... sad

Or the great Occitan troubadours classified as "Southern French".

There are a couple of people that insist we are Spanish in denial and that we must accept such fact or face consequences. Fortunately it's only cyber trash talking for now, but with the grip their groups like Prisa or Endesa have got on our national economy in times full of masonic traitors, there has been such a vehement lobby to rewrite history, that even refined characters like Aznar have publicly "opened" their arms.





Quoth the man whose first measure when he reached the Spanish government in May 1996 was to order military exercises in some remote islands of Portugal. I wonder how would they have reacted if we did the same, judging by the example they set with Morocco or the UK.

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(2012 Oct 25 23:21)Zephyr Wrote:  There are a couple of people that insist we are Spanish in denial and that we must accept such fact or face consequences. Fortunately it's only cyber trash talking for now, but with the grip their groups like Prisa or Endesa have got on our national economy in times full of masonic traitors, there has been such a vehement lobby to rewrite history, that even refined characters like Aznar have publicly "opened" their arms.





Quoth the man whose first measure when he reached the Spanish government in May 1996 was to order military exercises in some remote islands of Portugal. I wonder how would they have reacted if we did the same, judging by the example they set with Morocco or the UK.

They're experts at rewriting history. Now that in Spain people call 'center' to what is extreme right, and they have absolute majority, they feel free to say and do what they want every single day. Recently they said their aim is to Spanishize Catalan children, because according to them our children are taught to hate Spain and we rewrite history the way we like. It seems that when things are not taught the way they like it, it is indoctrination.

That guy, who should be internationally judged according to many, was giving a prize this week to the Hispanophile Vargas Llosa in his extreme right-winged foundation, and charging against Catalonia again in one of his super speeches. He keeps influencing politicians and the media after years 'in the dark'. The good side of it to me is that every time he speaks, new dozens of people become pro-independence. That's way faster than any of our ways of the so-called indoctrination.
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(2012 Oct 25 23:47)Arnau Wrote:  It seems that when things are not taught the way they like it, it is indoctrination.

But of course, there was this couple of sites owned by the same individual(s), where a significant part of posts consisted in claiming that Portugal is "una aberración histórica", "una pierda de sangre", "una criación masónica". Nevermind that the independent state of Portugal existed much before the de facto creation of Spain (1128 vs 1492). Anyone opposing would be banned and have his/her views deleted... which in fact is what the Spanish government did in Olivença, ilegally occupied since 1801. As above so below, in the little realms of internet.

Sometimes I ask to myself, if we had 60 years of Spain between 1580 and 1640 and it took 28 years of war to have them accepting the Restoration, how many years will it take in Catalunya? I mean, if they hate Catalanism so much, why aren't themselves the first to demand secession? I wouldn't want anyone unhappy in my house. We have the case of Barrancos, they consider themselves neither Portuguese, neither Spanish. Well, by all means, I'm all for a plebiscite.

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