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Quote:"Iceland is taking a very progressive approach that no other democratic country has tried," said Professor Gail Dines, an expert on pornography and speaker at a recent conference at Reykjavik University. "It is looking a pornography from a new position - from the perspective of the harm it does to the women who appear in it and as a violation of their civil rights."

I've heard some lectures by Professor Gail Hines, and she also has some pretty harsh words for capitalism, The Daily Mail's depiction of the poor, and Downton Abbey.

This is from an article co-written by Dines:

Quote:But feminists who organise against pornification are not arguing that sexualised images of women cause moral decay; rather that they perpetuate myths of women's unconditional sexual availability and object status, and thus undermine women's rights to sexual autonomy, physical safety and economic and social equality. The harm done to women is not a moral harm but a political one, and any analysis must be grounded in a critique of the corporate control of our visual landscape.
2013 Feb 15 18:51
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(2013 Feb 15 10:20)Dussander Wrote:  
(2013 Feb 15 08:27)Cinnamon Wrote:  Such bans are only trying to get control over male sexuality.

I'm convinced it's the other way around. Easily accessible pornographic materials are the ultimate way of keeping male assertiveness, aggression and strength in check.

If they where this way, the System wouldn't criminalize them. Pornography is the thing that is most hated by feminists. Why? Because Pornography shows them how unalluring they are and remembers them to the fact that no man looks after them.
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National laws can't control the World Wide Web, except you want to be as hardcore as China on this. Otherwise there are always ways to unblock sites (since most porn isn't hosted on servers in Iceland they can't shut them down), ask for instance the Germans how they deal with blocked Youtube videos and such. That being said I nevertheless support the move, as at least symbolically it's a step in the right direction.

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(2013 Feb 15 19:23)Cinnamon Wrote:  If they where this way, the System wouldn't criminalize them.

Hilarious naivety. Yes, Citizen, Big Brother cares for you, protecting you from all harm. Facepalm

Puzzles me, to see fellow dissidents seeing this Icelandic action as part of the global agenda, when to me it appears remarkable for going AGAINST all trends fostered by our rulers.

All 'banning' of an internet thing merely translates as 'making it somewhat more difficult to access'. As such, it only really stops the stupid/mentally ill and very young from being exposed... which is a good thing, no? Aren't they exactly the ones most corrupted in the present 'free for all'?

Sometimes a law is not so much important in what it achieves, but in what tone it sets for society. Iceland is making a position on the side of wholesomeness, which I find a very refreshing change for a European government.

"And now if a whole nation fell into that? In such a case, I answer, infallibly they will return out of it. For life is no cunningly-devised deception or self deception, it is a great truth that thou art alive, that thou hast desires, necessities: neither can these subsist and satisfy themselves on delusions, but on fact. To fact, depend on it, we shall come back: to such fact, blessed or cursed, as we have wisdom for."
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(2013 Feb 15 20:55)Temnozor Wrote:  National laws can't control the World Wide Web, except you want to be as hardcore as China on this. Otherwise there are always ways to unblock sites (since most porn isn't hosted on servers in Iceland they can't shut them down), ask for instance the Germans how they deal with blocked Youtube videos and such. That being said I nevertheless support the move, as at least symbolically it's a step in the right direction.

I think nearly every young German has Stealthy installed to unblock harmless Youtube-Videos blocked in our country because of this stupid GEMA Big Grin.

(2013 Feb 15 21:01)Osweo Wrote:  
(2013 Feb 15 19:23)Cinnamon Wrote:  If they where this way, the System wouldn't criminalize them.

Hilarious naivety. Yes, Citizen, Big Brother cares for you, protecting you from all harm. Facepalm

Puzzles me, to see fellow dissidents seeing this Icelandic action as part of the global agenda, when to me it appears remarkable for going AGAINST all trends fostered by our rulers.

All 'banning' of an internet thing merely translates as 'making it somewhat more difficult to access'. As such, it only really stops the stupid/mentally ill and very young from being exposed... which is a good thing, no? Aren't they exactly the ones most corrupted in the present 'free for all'?

Sometimes a law is not so much important in what it achieves, but in what tone it sets for society. Iceland is making a position on the side of wholesomeness, which I find a very refreshing change for a European government.


I'm not naiv and I don't think that Government wanted to secure us from harms ;). I think that the system has no benefit from criminalizing Pornography if it serves as a medium for controling men. Why should the system dispense on an controlling agent? The fact that the system wants to criminalize pornography is an evidence that pornography leads to lesser controlling about the people.
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(2013 Feb 15 19:23)Cinnamon Wrote:  If they where this way, the System wouldn't criminalize them. Pornography is the thing that is most hated by feminists. Why? Because Pornography shows them how unalluring they are and remembers them to the fact that no man looks after them.

Strangely enough I've never noticed any popular feminist leader agitating against pornography or strip clubs, that's even one of the things that disgust me about them. I know that in past times the feminist notion of pornography and prostitution was one of "sexual slavery", nowadays, though, they've turned it into "sexual liberation", exactly like promiscuity and "bitch pride".

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Don't know any political movement that is more misogynous than the feminists actually.

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(2013 Feb 15 21:40)Cinnamon Wrote:  I'm not naiv and I don't think that Government wanted to secure us from harms ;). I think that the system has no benefit from criminalizing Pornography if it serves as a medium for controling men. Why should the system dispense on an controlling agent? The fact that the system wants to criminalize pornography is an evidence that pornography leads to lesser controlling about the people.
Sometimes I don't understand your English very well, tut mir leid.

But I think it important to state that Iceland's government is NOT 'the System'. It's a small exception, possible only in a small country where the rulers are less able to ignore the people.

"And now if a whole nation fell into that? In such a case, I answer, infallibly they will return out of it. For life is no cunningly-devised deception or self deception, it is a great truth that thou art alive, that thou hast desires, necessities: neither can these subsist and satisfy themselves on delusions, but on fact. To fact, depend on it, we shall come back: to such fact, blessed or cursed, as we have wisdom for."
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(2013 Feb 15 22:34)Osweo Wrote:  
(2013 Feb 15 21:40)Cinnamon Wrote:  I'm not naiv and I don't think that Government wanted to secure us from harms ;). I think that the system has no benefit from criminalizing Pornography if it serves as a medium for controling men. Why should the system dispense on an controlling agent? The fact that the system wants to criminalize pornography is an evidence that pornography leads to lesser controlling about the people.
Sometimes I don't understand your English very well, tut mir leid.

But I think it important to state that Iceland's government is NOT 'the System'. It's a small exception, possible only in a small country where the rulers are less able to ignore the people.

Hey, I speak only school English ;). Excuse me if my English is not as well as the English spoken by a native speaker, please ;).

(2013 Feb 15 21:54)Temnozor Wrote:  
(2013 Feb 15 19:23)Cinnamon Wrote:  If they where this way, the System wouldn't criminalize them. Pornography is the thing that is most hated by feminists. Why? Because Pornography shows them how unalluring they are and remembers them to the fact that no man looks after them.

Strangely enough I've never noticed any popular feminist leader agitating against pornography or strip clubs, that's even one of the things that disgust me about them. I know that in past times the feminist notion of pornography and prostitution was one of "sexual slavery", nowadays, though, they've turned it into "sexual liberation", exactly like promiscuity and "bitch pride".

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Don't know any political movement that is more misogynous than the feminists actually.

What's about Alice Schwarzer, Andrea Dworkin and other Feminist authors, journalists, socialogists etc.? Its only a little group in Feminism that sees "Sex working" as a liberation of women. Most Feminists hate men and they hate sexuality.
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(2013 Feb 15 08:27)Cinnamon Wrote:  Pornography accomplishes needs. If it wouldn't, it wouldn't exist.

Pornography accomplishes nothing... It is a fantasy world, nothing more.

Here's a two part article on how it effects the brain:

Pornography's Effect on the Brain part one- Dr. Lasha Darkmoon

Pornography's Effect on the Brain part two - Dr. Lasha Darkmoon

(2013 Feb 15 08:27)Cinnamon Wrote:  Such bans are only trying to get control over male sexuality.
(2013 Feb 15 10:20)Dussander Wrote:  I'm convinced it's the other way around. Easily accessible pornographic materials are the ultimate way of keeping male assertiveness, aggression and strength in check.

Any alleged 'benefits' of pornography: "keeping male assertiveness, aggression and strength in check", can be accomplished with prescribed medication.

Women who become involved in the sex trade often do so out of desperation; THAT is exploitation, and they discover too late, there's no escaping their past.

Consider this testimonial from a young woman who was seduced into pornography on a naughty whim or because of the money it offered and she was desperate to make:

Quote:In a lifetime filled with mistakes, this particular nuisance was an abrupt short-lived occurrence during a time of naïvety, desperation and disregard for the future and the impact it would later have on myself and others... ~ source

Young women like this discover too late the significant, life-altering negative impact of an "abrupt short-lived occurrence during a time of naïvety, desperation and disregard for the future and the impact it would later have on myself and others."

Lots of young women have not reached a level of matrurity where they fully appreciate and understand the significant, life-altering negative impact of an even short-lived forray into pornography.

Here's one for the record:

Quote: OXNARD, California, USA – A middle school teacher who was fired after students learned she had appeared in pornography has lost her appeal to return to the classroom, her lawyer said Tuesday.

A three-judge panel unanimously decided Stacie Halas, 32, was unfit for the classroom. Halas was fired in April from her job as a science teacher at Haydock Intermediate School in Oxnard after online videos of her in porn were discovered by students and teachers…

... District superintendent Jeff Chancer applauded the commission's ruling.

Halas' decision to "engage in pornography was incompatible with her responsibilities as a role model for students and would present an insurmountable, recurring disruption to our schools should she be allowed to remain as a teacher," Chancer said in a statement... more

The wages of sin can be costly, Stacie.

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Eighth-grade science teacher Stacie Halas appears for the fourth day at hearing

Stacie Halas 'performed' under the stage name 'Tiffany Six' and participated in lots of really decadent stuff, like interracial sex, in the twilight of her porn 'career', as most do when it's pretty much over for 'em.

I can certainly understand her trying to put her past behind her; at her age, 32 (she just looks 52), it's her only option in that 'business'... But once you've sold your soul to Satan, there's no gettin' it back.

Pornography is the WORST kind of prostitution: It's PUBLIC and a PERMANENT record, that never goes away, is made of it by our enemies who wish to destroy our culture by defiling our women.

Well, they destroyed this one, and tens of hundreds more like her.

Sorry, Stacie, you can start a new life, but we don't want you teachin' our children. It's too bad you had to learn that life's lesson the hard way (no pun intended).
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Actually, I'd prefer to see some discretion exercised, rather than a flat out 'porn ban'. Would it not be possible to block the most seedy shitty type, where the women are blatantly treated as objects, hit and humiliated in various ways, and have things restricted to more acceptable 'erotica' that better simulates the healthy kind of sexuality that society needs?

The problem with porn to my mind, is the problem of market forces acting without restraint. The boundaries are pushed more and more, or rather they don't exist, and more and more disgusting things become commonplace in order to titillate the jaded, with only the performers and producers themselves to exercise any restraint, which they obviously can't afford to do, if a competitor is willing to edge ahead and steal their profits.

I don't think that a great deal of terrible damage is done to the mind of an impressionable (young) person by the simple footage of a normal sexual act. However, if such a nuanced approach is too difficult, I can sympathise with a full ban.

Lingerie catalogues still exist, after all. ;)

Of course, I haven't tackled the issue of the abuse of those who would be involved in even a tamed and censored pornographic industry. Perhaps it would be best to outlaw it completely, for the sake of those girls. sad
Heimy Wrote:Any alleged 'benefits' of pornography: "keeping male assertiveness, aggression and strength in check", can be accomplished with prescribed medication.
I read Dussander as referring to the above as FAR from a 'benefit'! I understood it as I understand the phenomenon myself: the emasculation of young men into mere passive consumers, who are apathetic in politics and societal questions. i.e. perfect proles for the masters.

"And now if a whole nation fell into that? In such a case, I answer, infallibly they will return out of it. For life is no cunningly-devised deception or self deception, it is a great truth that thou art alive, that thou hast desires, necessities: neither can these subsist and satisfy themselves on delusions, but on fact. To fact, depend on it, we shall come back: to such fact, blessed or cursed, as we have wisdom for."
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