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(2013 Feb 16 01:24)Osweo Wrote:  Actually, I'd prefer to see some discretion exercised, rather than a flat out 'porn ban'. Would it not be possible to block the most seedy shitty type, where the women are blatantly treated as objects, hit and humiliated in various ways, and have things restricted to more acceptable 'erotica' that better simulates the healthy kind of sexuality that society needs?

I tend to doubt that it is possible to effectively filter pornographic content that precisely... or even entirely, but I say any such attempt to at least try is a noble one.

(2013 Feb 16 01:24)Osweo Wrote:  The problem with porn to my mind, is the problem of market forces acting without restraint. The boundaries are pushed more and more, or rather they don't exist, and more and more disgusting things become commonplace in order to titillate the jaded, with only the performers and producers themselves to exercise any restraint, which they obviously can't afford to do, if a competitor is willing to edge ahead and steal their profits.

That's certainly an issue. In Japan, for example, there are NO bounds, so disgusting 'props' like human excrement are sometimes used.

(2013 Feb 16 01:24)Osweo Wrote:  I don't think that a great deal of terrible damage is done to the mind of an impressionable (young) person by the simple footage of a normal sexual act. However, if such a nuanced approach is too difficult, I can sympathise with a full ban.

The damage that is done is to the young women who particpate in this type unrestrained self-indulgent immoral behavior, and THAT is why I don't at all blame feminists for crusading against it.

(2013 Feb 16 01:24)Osweo Wrote:  Lingerie catalogues still exist, after all.

As long as men want it and women are willing to provide it for a fee, it will exist, openly or otherwise, no doubt about it.

(2013 Feb 16 01:24)Osweo Wrote:  Of course, I haven't tackled the issue of the abuse of those who would be involved in even a tamed and censored pornographic industry. Perhaps it would be best to outlaw it completely, for the sake of those girls.

I have never believed that there is any "social redeeming value" in the production, distribution and consumption of pornography of any type, including nude or even semi-nude 'exotic dancing.'

MANY of the young women 'performing' in pornographic films probably got their start as an 'exotic dancer' or some other innocuous profession like 'modelling', and then were slowly seduced into the hard-core sex trade.

Heimy Wrote:Any alleged 'benefits' of pornography: "keeping male assertiveness, aggression and strength in check", can be accomplished with prescribed medication.
(2013 Feb 16 01:24)Osweo Wrote:  I read Dussander as referring to the above as FAR from a 'benefit'! I understood it as I understand the phenomenon myself: the emasculation of young men into mere passive consumers, who are apathetic in politics and societal questions. i.e. perfect proles for the masters.

Yeah, I KNEW that remark sounded out-of-character for Dussander. Next time, I'll SLOW DOWN and read more carefully before responding. Meanwhile, I stand corrected.
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I don't know what to say. I believe there will always be people willing to watch and people willing to take part. It's been here since films were invented. The human mind is twisted by default.

I agree though that unrestricted Google or whatever engine search can be disgusting. Once I googled the word "frango" (chicken) in images and it returned sick porn. The word "bears" returned awkward results as well at some point.

Won't be a big concern for the porn industry, since the whole population of Iceland is 300 000 people, so expect not that much controversy.

It's far more negative to society that both the prime-minister and the first-lady of Iceland are women. No wonder "beautiful nordic women" choose virile gorillas for partners. Progressive pussification of society.

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(2013 Feb 16 01:14)Heimdallr Wrote:  ...

The case of the school teacher is very characteristical. How the students, the teachers and the Super Intendend could have learned about the appearance of the teacher in a porn if they don't watch them by themself? They convict the woman because she appeared in a porn. And then they watch this stuff themself. I find this bigotted..... Its very American!
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(2013 Feb 16 02:04)Heimdallr Wrote:  ...

If you outlaw it, it won't be out of the world. When it is outlawed, you only get a black market with real ill stuff and de-facto slavery. Here in Germany, prostitution is legal. But in most of our neighbor countries it is outlawed. So Germany have becomed a country with many problems in forced prostitition because our liberal law is misused. When porn would be prohibited, the problem would be the same with it. So it is better when it is legal.

Even drugs should be legalized. They don't disappear when they are forbidden. But when they are forbidden, the drug mafia earns a lot of money and give hard drugs even to children to make them addicted.....
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(2013 Feb 15 08:27)Cinnamon Wrote:  Pornography accomplishes needs. If it wouldn't, it wouldn't exist. Such bans are only trying to get control over male sexuality.
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(2013 Feb 15 21:54)Temnozor Wrote:  
(2013 Feb 15 19:23)Cinnamon Wrote:  If they where this way, the System wouldn't criminalize them. Pornography is the thing that is most hated by feminists. Why? Because Pornography shows them how unalluring they are and remembers them to the fact that no man looks after them.

Strangely enough I've never noticed any popular feminist leader agitating against pornography or strip clubs, that's even one of the things that disgust me about them. I know that in past times the feminist notion of pornography and prostitution was one of "sexual slavery", nowadays, though, they've turned it into "sexual liberation", exactly like promiscuity and "bitch pride".

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Don't know any political movement that is more misogynous than the feminists actually.

That has a point, actually, which is to say, even though women are taught to dress like that, which they are while feminist anti-pornography is not implemented, some nerd can't say 'she was asking for it'. This works against any primitive type who uses this as an excuse and the Morlock culture that surrounds it, along with the female-on-female hazing. It seems counterintuitive but when you're called a slut so that you engage in it and ruin yourself so that others can rise.

It's as if the media constantly portrayed you as a Nazi for holding normal instincts, until you finally said, yeah, fine, I'm a Nazi.

So if they disable the power behind the word, it takes away the power and distinction between the fake puritans and rapists ...

Another example of this would be when leftist protestors say things "Yes, I'm just a dirty hippie."

It's very hard to be young and not have undergone some massive pressure, which in turn you're blamed for, and for what? Not to solve the problem. Just to blame.

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(2013 Feb 16 09:53)Raskolnikov Wrote:  
(2013 Feb 15 08:27)Cinnamon Wrote:  Pornography accomplishes needs. If it wouldn't, it wouldn't exist. Such bans are only trying to get control over male sexuality.
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Osweo Wrote:I read Dussander as referring to the above as FAR from a 'benefit'! I understood it as I understand the phenomenon myself: the emasculation of young men into mere passive consumers, who are apathetic in politics and societal questions. i.e. perfect proles for the masters.

Indeed, that's precisely what I meant. Smile

Quote:No wonder "beautiful nordic women" choose virile gorillas for partners.

What's wrong with virile gorillas? LOL

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(2013 Feb 16 11:40)Dussander Wrote:  
Quote:No wonder "beautiful nordic women" choose virile gorillas for partners.

What's wrong with virile gorillas? LOL

Don't ask me! Virile Obafemis just seem to be the deal up there, "latin lovers" have been put off business, even speaking French and offering flowers does not work with them nordic wiminz anymore LOL

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(2013 Feb 16 09:53)Raskolnikov Wrote:  That has a point, actually, which is to say, even though women are taught to dress like that, which they are while feminist anti-pornography is not implemented, some nerd can't say 'she was asking for it'. This works against any primitive type who uses this as an excuse and the Morlock culture that surrounds it, along with the female-on-female hazing. It seems counterintuitive but when you're called a slut so that you engage in it and ruin yourself so that others can rise.

It's as if the media constantly portrayed you as a Nazi for holding normal instincts, until you finally said, yeah, fine, I'm a Nazi.

So if they disable the power behind the word, it takes away the power and distinction between the fake puritans and rapists ...

Another example of this would be when leftist protestors say things "Yes, I'm just a dirty hippie."

It's very hard to be young and not have undergone some massive pressure, which in turn you're blamed for, and for what? Not to solve the problem. Just to blame.

I've never seen any reasonable nationalists or leftists organizing "nazi" or "dirty hippie" walks, though. Exactly like I've never noticed the mass media portraying scantily clad girls as "sluts", since the MSM are rather praising this looks than condemning them. So I don't think that this comparison works.

It's two different things to identify yourself with a negative image given to you in an ironical way and to do it in a serious manner, too.

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(2013 Feb 16 12:38)Temnozor Wrote:  
(2013 Feb 16 09:53)Raskolnikov Wrote:  That has a point, actually, which is to say, even though women are taught to dress like that, which they are while feminist anti-pornography is not implemented, some nerd can't say 'she was asking for it'. This works against any primitive type who uses this as an excuse and the Morlock culture that surrounds it, along with the female-on-female hazing. It seems counterintuitive but when you're called a slut so that you engage in it and ruin yourself so that others can rise.

It's as if the media constantly portrayed you as a Nazi for holding normal instincts, until you finally said, yeah, fine, I'm a Nazi.

So if they disable the power behind the word, it takes away the power and distinction between the fake puritans and rapists ...

Another example of this would be when leftist protestors say things "Yes, I'm just a dirty hippie."

It's very hard to be young and not have undergone some massive pressure, which in turn you're blamed for, and for what? Not to solve the problem. Just to blame.

I've never seen any reasonable nationalists or leftists organizing "nazi" or "dirty hippie" walks, though. Exactly like I've never noticed the mass media portraying scantily clad girls as "sluts", since the MSM are rather praising this looks than condemning them. So I don't think that this comparison works.

It's two different things to identify yourself with a negative image given to you in an ironical way and to do it in a serious manner, too.

The slut walks began in 2011 in Canada after the statement of a Toronto police officer in which he said that women, who got raped would be jointly responsible when they have worn offensive or sluty clothing.

"Slut" is meant as a reappropriation in this context (auf Deutsch Geusenwort, du kennst das Wort vielleicht von den Negern vom Braunen Mob ;)).
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