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(2013 Feb 15 19:23)Cinnamon Wrote:  If they where this way, the System wouldn't criminalize them. Pornography is the thing that is most hated by feminists. Why? Because Pornography shows them how unalluring they are and remembers them to the fact that no man looks after them.

Cinnamon, are you implying that women are unalluring unless they resemble women in pornographic films? Or that a woman's self-worth should be determined by how attractive or desirable men find her to be?
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(2013 Feb 26 08:51)Cinnamon Wrote:  
(2013 Feb 26 00:39)Heimdallr Wrote:  "Is it freedom of speech to be able to reach children with very hardcore, brutal material? Is that the freedom of speech we want to protect?" ...

I've yet to see anyone effectively counter THAT argument.

The classic thought-terminating cliché. When you are against it, you are against protection of children.....

No, to reach children with very hardcore, brutal material isn't the freedom of speech we want to protect. But it is the price for the freedom of speech that we want to protect!


Only a man could put his own "freedoms" ahead of a child's. Children always pay the price for your freedoms. They ought not to have to is the point.

Have a child Cinnamon and you will see. Sometimes others' needs do come (and should come ahead) of your own.

As a mother I am not ready to let you fight your "noble fight" for your freedom to access crap on the internet without my own fight for what *I* deem to be the righteous cause, the protection of children from sickening crap that they may stumble upon.

By the way, you ought never cross a mother when she is in cub defending mode; we can get pretty ugly. Big Grin
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(2013 Feb 27 04:52)Violet Wrote:  Cinnamon, are you implying that women are unalluring unless they resemble women in pornographic films? Or that a woman's self-worth should be determined by how attractive or desirable men find her to be?

No. That is something I don't wanted to say.
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(2013 Feb 27 07:22)Cinnamon Wrote:  
(2013 Feb 27 04:52)Violet Wrote:  Cinnamon, are you implying that women are unalluring unless they resemble women in pornographic films? Or that a woman's self-worth should be determined by how attractive or desirable men find her to be?

No. That is something I don't wanted to say.

Just heavily imply? ;)

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(2013 Feb 27 05:30)Aemma Wrote:  Only a man could put his own "freedoms" ahead of a child's. Children always pay the price for your freedoms. They ought not to have to is the point.

Have a child Cinnamon and you will see. Sometimes others' needs do come (and should come ahead) of your own.

As a mother I am not ready to let you fight your "noble fight" for your freedom to access crap on the internet without my own fight for what *I* deem to be the righteous cause, the protection of children from sickening crap that they may stumble upon.

By the way, you ought never cross a mother when she is in cub defending mode; we can get pretty ugly. Big Grin

Its the same argument. Freedom of speech implicies that not everything that is spoken or written has to be nice to other people. Do you really want a technology in governments hands, that could be used for censorship?

Many people would be say, that this forum is "crap" too and children would have a right to be protected against such evil Nationalist content because they could become "racist" or "islamophobian" when they read it.

There is a good page on this topic in Germany:

http://www.rasputin.de/Hitman/

Unfortunately, it is in German. In other countries then Germany you are able to see the normal page. In Germany, we see only this between 6 am to 11 pm o'clock:

http://www.rasputin.de/Drollis/

Its very satrical. The text on the end is the best:

Quote:Unsere Medienpädagogin Frau Kunze-Hohlbrück bestätigt: "Dieses Internetangebot ist garantiert pädagogisch wertvoll. Es enthält keine schmutzigen Bilder, keinerlei Gewalt und keine verstörenden Texte, die sozialethisch desorientierend wirken und die Entwicklung von Kindern und Jugendlichen beeinträchtigen könnten. Dieses Angebot kann auch von Vorschulkindern mühelos verstanden werden. Jede Internetseite müsste so sein! Und dafür kämpfen wir!"

Quote:Our media educator Ms Kunze-Hohlbrück confirms: "This website is guaranteed pedagogically useful. It contains no dirty pictures, no violence and no disturbing texts that act socially ethical disorienting and could affect the development of children and adolescents. This website can even be understood by pre-school children effortlessly. Every website should be like this! And therefor we will fight!

A children-safe web would be the dream of the system and the elites because there were no political controversial page in it, no Nationalist forums or whatever they dislike. And protection of children are a good argument for this elite-friendly web because of arguments like yours!

(2013 Feb 27 07:30)Susi Wrote:  
(2013 Feb 27 07:22)Cinnamon Wrote:  
(2013 Feb 27 04:52)Violet Wrote:  Cinnamon, are you implying that women are unalluring unless they resemble women in pornographic films? Or that a woman's self-worth should be determined by how attractive or desirable men find her to be?

No. That is something I don't wanted to say.

Just heavily imply? ;)

No. What I wanted to say is, that I think that Femists are against porn because they have low self-esteem because men aren't looking after them etc. ;).
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(2013 Feb 27 03:55)Susi Wrote:  (...)

Quote:As it happened in my city, and I was there at the walk, I think I know what happened. I didn't actively participate, but I agreed with their cause.


So this is your prefered way of protest?

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You really think this is helpful in any way? I'm disappointed.

Quote:And since when does nationalism focus solely on the wants, needs and desires of men only? Feminism and nationalism are not incompatible.

Nationalism indeed does not exclude woman, on the contrary, if they hadn't a place in the nationalist worldview nobody of us would even be bothered by the feminst (FEMEN, "Slut Walks" etc.) degradation of woman. You confuse woman and feminists it seems.

Take this thread for instance. Most of the posters here do support pornography bans, because obviously most sane nationalists want to protect the dignity of woman in their respective nations. This, however, contradicts the feminist notion of "sexual liberation" and others, so nationalism and feminism are incompatible here. It hasn't to do with woman, but with ideas that contradict nationalism.

Quote:Just because in the older times women sat at home and weren't allowed to do anything and were thought of as lesser people by our forefathers doesn't mean that we have to perpetuate that now. We don't have to keep every single little bit about our 'traditional culture and values', especially if it denigrates one half of our people.

It doesn't mean that you have to destroy or "deconstruct" literally everything, too. Consider that White men's civilization was the only one that made it possible to rethink all what you have criticized here. It was the only platform for all those new ideas and notions. It's insane to depict it as the root of all evil and all problems of woman, as it is insane to agitate against our cultures emphasis on the differences of the sexes.

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(2013 Feb 27 07:39)Cinnamon Wrote:  
(2013 Feb 27 05:30)Aemma Wrote:  Only a man could put his own "freedoms" ahead of a child's. Children always pay the price for your freedoms. They ought not to have to is the point.

Have a child Cinnamon and you will see. Sometimes others' needs do come (and should come ahead) of your own.

As a mother I am not ready to let you fight your "noble fight" for your freedom to access crap on the internet without my own fight for what *I* deem to be the righteous cause, the protection of children from sickening crap that they may stumble upon.

By the way, you ought never cross a mother when she is in cub defending mode; we can get pretty ugly. Big Grin

Its the same argument. Freedom of speech implicies that not everything that is spoken or written has to be nice to other people. Do you really want a technology in governments hands, that could be used for censorship?

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In all of this Cinnamon you're making the very erroneous assumption that a ban on pornography will invariably result in a ban on other liberties enjoyed on the Internet. This is the very point at which I believe your whole argument breaks down. It's a leap in logic that ought not be made.
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(2013 Feb 27 13:28)Temnozor Wrote:  
(2013 Feb 27 03:55)Susi Wrote:  (...)

Quote:As it happened in my city, and I was there at the walk, I think I know what happened. I didn't actively participate, but I agreed with their cause.


So this is your prefered way of protest?

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You really think this is helpful in any way? I'm disappointed.

Quote:And since when does nationalism focus solely on the wants, needs and desires of men only? Feminism and nationalism are not incompatible.

Nationalism indeed does not exclude woman, on the contrary, if they hadn't a place in the nationalist worldview nobody of us would even be bothered by the feminst (FEMEN, "Slut Walks" etc.) degradation of woman. You confuse woman and feminists it seems.

Take this thread for instance. Most of the posters here do support pornography bans, because obviously most sane nationalists want to protect the dignity of woman in their respective nations. This, however, contradicts the feminist notion of "sexual liberation" and others, so nationalism and feminism are incompatible here. It hasn't to do with woman, but with ideas that contradict nationalism.

Quote:Just because in the older times women sat at home and weren't allowed to do anything and were thought of as lesser people by our forefathers doesn't mean that we have to perpetuate that now. We don't have to keep every single little bit about our 'traditional culture and values', especially if it denigrates one half of our people.

It doesn't mean that you have to destroy or "deconstruct" literally everything, too. Consider that White men's civilization was the only one that made it possible to rethink all what you have criticized here. It was the only platform for all those new ideas and notions. It's insane to depict it as the root of all evil and all problems of woman, as it is insane to agitate against our cultures emphasis on the differences of the sexes.

And I thought Pride parades were disgusting.....

There's a way to protest and one doesn't have to do it immaturely. I'm sure they can think of more creative and constructive ways to protest.
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(2013 Feb 27 14:09)Aemma Wrote:  In all of this Cinnamon you're making the very erroneous assumption that a ban on pornography will invariably result in a ban on other liberties enjoyed on the Internet. This is the very point at which I believe your whole argument breaks down. It's a leap in logic that ought not be made.

I don't think so. History shows that everything what's possible will be done one day. Especially when we are talking about the pure possibility to censor controversial political content.

But: Time will show who of us is right now. But when I will be right, please don't whine! Take it as a contribution for a children-safe internet, yes?

To be honest: I haven't seen content in the internet until today, what I would call more worse then the stuff on early evening in TV..... Violent movies are shown there multiple times a week, sex is shown in every cheap format on TV...... I don't think that this is different in Iceland or Britain or elsewhere..... So, this few porns aren't a big problem.... It can be soluted by teaching children to use computers and the internet with resposibility.....
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