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(2013 Feb 27 13:28)Temnozor Wrote:  So this is your prefered way of protest?

It isn't my preferred way of protest but I wanted to protest the disgraceful remarks made by the police officer of my city. So I went along, and you know what? I'm not going to tell you what I wore because it shouldn't bloody matter, just like it doesn't matter when a woman is brutally sexually assaulted (i.e. the thing that the police officer made heinous remarks about).

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This was in America, not Toronto. Nice try, though

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This was in London, not Toronto.

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That's in Germany, not Toronto. Sorry.

So none of these images were actually from the protest I attended. Sorry to disappoint you.

The original Toronto protest, which I attended:
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This is a city of people angry with its police and the way it dealt with a series of sexual assaults at one of our universities. They had a police officer come to talk about it to young women.

That police officer, a Toronto Police Constable named Michael Sanguinetti said that "women should avoid dressing like sluts in order not to be victimized.", to a group of women. On how they should avoid being assaulted. Neither sensitive nor helpful

We marched on the police headquarters.

Quote:You really think this is helpful in any way? I'm disappointed.

Yes, because our protest brought the issue to attention that the police force has this culture (I remember when a friend reported an assault and the first question they asked her was "What were you wearing?"). The police chief apologised and said they would train their officers better. I would say that it was a totally effective protest

Maybe he who wasn't there and didn't live in that city shouldn't comment on something like this?

Quote:Nationalism indeed does not exclude woman, on the contrary, if they hadn't a place in the nationalist worldview nobody of us would even be bothered by the feminst (FEMEN, "Slut Walks" etc.) degradation of woman. You confuse woman and feminists it seems.

And you seem to confuse the actions of few groups of feminists with the beliefs of the many.

Quote: It hasn't to do with woman, but with ideas that contradict nationalism.

If it has nothing to do with women, then why were women being discussed previously?

Quote:It doesn't mean that you have to destroy or "deconstruct" literally everything, too. Consider that White men's civilization was the only one that made it possible to rethink all what you have criticized here. It was the only platform for all those new ideas and notions. It's insane to depict it as the root of all evil and all problems of woman, as it is insane to agitate against our cultures emphasis on the differences of the sexes.

And of course only men built that civilisation all by themselves without any help from their mothers or wives or sisters or any women at all? How touching.

It isn't the root of all evil and problems of all women. That's not what I'm doing. That isn't how I operate. But I won't stand for injustices.

I know we women and you men are different. But should this difference extend to different treatment?

(2013 Feb 27 14:35)Bjornling Wrote:  And I thought Pride parades were disgusting.....

There's a way to protest and one doesn't have to do it immaturely. I'm sure they can think of more creative and constructive ways to protest.

... Rolleyes You of all people calling this disgusting.

Like I wrote earlier, none of those pictures were taken at the protest I attended.

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Susi. One of my friends was raped by a police officer here in Charlottetown. There's a blue wall of silence though. I've actually been harassed a lot by the police lately and I believe it's over not so nice things I said about them on Facebook. They failed to serve and protect me when I was the victim of obvious sexist violence so I chose to take matters in my own hands and acquire a weapon.

Also, these slut walks in other cities are disgusting compared to Toronto and only serve to discredit the message. Even in one picture there is a MAN wearing nipple clamps. I was banned from a feminist forum for saying this but I believe no male liberal or progressive is an ally to a feminist. I trust more conservative men. Just look at Oscar Pistorius, he shot his girlfriend, he's a liberal. Charlie Sheen, wife-beater, liberal. Chris Brown, beat up Rihanna. African American so probably liberal. Liberal dudes in the anthro forum worlds like Satyr, look how they treat women. I have more respect for nationalists and believe nationalism is more compatible with feminism than liberalism (I mean real nationalism, not that of anglophone North American poseurs like on another certain forum), it's just that nationalists are confused as to what it is and see liberal corruption of feminism.

Also, if you do a little research, some of those man hating feminists were thought up by the liberal capitalist US government to discredit feminism, and also, the marketing of images of super-skinny women in media was introduced by the CIA in order to have women more concerned with losing weight than taking part in women's lib movements. Before this, Marilyn Monroe was a size 14 dress, fat by today's standards.

I never was a feminist nor cared about it until recent experiences, and slut walks aren't my domain. I am more into the Internet, which is probably the most sexist medium. I am a cyber-feminist and have recently got endorsement from Anita Sarkeesian.

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(2013 Feb 28 06:58)Susi Wrote:  (...)

Quote:It isn't my preferred way of protest but I wanted to protest the disgraceful remarks made by the police officer of my city. So I went along, and you know what? I'm not going to tell you what I wore because it shouldn't bloody matter, just like it doesn't matter when a woman is brutally sexually assaulted (i.e. the thing that the police officer made heinous remarks about).


I haven't asked for it and am not interested anyway. My question was about your attitude towards these "slut walks", not about how you dress. I'm sorry if it was ambiguous.

Quote:This was in America, not Toronto. Nice try, though
This was in London, not Toronto.
That's in Germany, not Toronto. Sorry.

So none of these images were actually from the protest I attended. Sorry to disappoint you.

As you now know what I actually wanted to ask I think I don't need to explain why I have posted pictures from different cities, do I?

Quote:This is a city of people angry with its police and the way it dealt with a series of sexual assaults at one of our universities. They had a police officer come to talk about it to young women.

That police officer, a Toronto Police Constable named Michael Sanguinetti said that "women should avoid dressing like sluts in order not to be victimized.", to a group of women. On how they should avoid being assaulted. Neither sensitive nor helpful

We marched on the police headquarters.

I've read about the case and I'm not bothered by the protest itself, but by the way of protest and by the fact that this way expanded to many other countries around the world.

Quote:Yes, because our protest brought the issue to attention that the police force has this culture (I remember when a friend reported an assault and the first question they asked her was "What were you wearing?"). The police chief apologised and said they would train their officers better. I would say that it was a totally effective protest

Well, if you're not bothered by the side effects I congratulate you for your "success". Suum cuique.

Quote:Maybe he who wasn't there and didn't live in that city shouldn't comment on something like this?

I live in a city with 18000 inhabitants, if I would comment only on local topics I had only few things to talk about. Tongue

Quote:And you seem to confuse the actions of few groups of feminists with the beliefs of the many.


And what do these mysterious many believe? Where or by whom are they represented?

Quote:If it has nothing to do with women, then why were women being discussed previously?

I can't remember the whole thread, but hadn't only Cinnamon started this? Anyway, I can speak only for myself. If one of my previous posts in this thread disturbs you, say me what's wrong about it and we'll see.

Quote:And of course only men built that civilisation all by themselves without any help from their mothers or wives or sisters or any women at all? How touching.


Well, no, but historically seen they played the leading role. "Patriarchy" it is called, something like the Big Satan in feminist eyes.

Quote:I know we women and you men are different. But should this difference extend to different treatment?

For sure. Would you like a man who on a sinking ship would push you away and say "that's my lifeboat, fuck off!"? Tongue

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By now I think Canada has the crazier females compared to the U.S.

Females who need a feminism will always remain mentally shaky while men (without a very small percentile of pussified self-haters, trannies and other mentally defective genetical aberrations) are self-confident enough not to make up a make-believe ideology centered on their Y chromosome although technically they have more reasons to be pissed as they work harder, die sooner, lose 95% of all custody battles and tend to get derided as wife beaters, rapists, sexists, racists by females almost automatically.

A recent interview with Esther Vilar just reminded me how correct she was with her book The Manipulated Man in 1971. She too got called a racist, fascist, sexist, friend of rapists etc. That just shows you how the feminist Pavlovian conditioning works.


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(2013 Feb 28 11:45)Phlegethon Wrote:  (without a very small percentile of pussified self-haters, trannies and other mentally defective genetical aberrations)

If it only would be a small percentile. sad

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Not everyone has the luck to be a he-man like us. ;)


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Temnozor is quite right about the OTHER results of the 'slutwalk' thing, regardless of any 'successes' (which to me just seem to involve police forces making the usual apologies - yawn - and implementing some 'policies' - yawn - that mostly translate as providing more sinecures for useless bureaucrats, wasting tax payers money on stuff that doesn't actually involve upholding or enforcing the law).

Slut is not a word to 'reclaim'. Of relevance to this particular thread, 'slut' and 'whore' and 'bitch' are the words now regularly used in the modern Californian big business pornography to refer to the women taking part.

THose who take part in a 'slutwalk' might think that they have triumphed over this labelling of women, but MOST people, i.e. those who weren't among the 'initiated' who reasoned out why a 'slutwalk' was a good thing, will look on more or less bemused, disgusted or baffled. And all the while, many will think it more and more acceptable to use the word 'slut', or even to BE a slut.

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(2013 Feb 28 16:28)Osweo Wrote:  Temnozor is quite right about the OTHER results of the 'slutwalk' thing, regardless of any 'successes' (which to me just seem to involve police forces making the usual apologies - yawn - and implementing some 'policies' - yawn - that mostly translate as providing more sinecures for useless bureaucrats, wasting tax payers money on stuff that doesn't actually involve upholding or enforcing the law).

Right.

Quote:Slut is not a word to 'reclaim'. Of relevance to this particular thread, 'slut' and 'whore' and 'bitch' are the words now regularly used in the modern Californian big business pornography to refer to the women taking part.

Language is brutalized since years. Even in normal films you can see that oeople are refering to each other as "asshole", "son of a bi***", "motherf*****" and other pleasantries. That films are so brutal in their language because people seem that they want this to see.

In German schools the most popular term of abuse the word "Schwule Sau" ("Fag", or literally "Gay Sod"). In the last years, "Christenschwein" (Christian Pig) has becomed very popular under Muslim students, too. So, language has becomed very brutal today. But I think TV and cinema are following the society in this case and not society the TV.

Quote:THose who take part in a 'slutwalk' might think that they have triumphed over this labelling of women, but MOST people, i.e. those who weren't among the 'initiated' who reasoned out why a 'slutwalk' was a good thing, will look on more or less bemused, disgusted or baffled. And all the while, many will think it more and more acceptable to use the word 'slut', or even to BE a slut.

There are much more insulting terms today then "slut". "Slut" could be a compliment today..... regrettably.
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The point of the slut walk was not to reclaim slut or any shit like that. it's a protest against victim blaming. Whenever a woman is raped, questiond come up like "what was she wearing?" Or "was she drunk/high?"

IT SHOULDNT MATTER. Rape is rape. If she's drunk DON'T FUCKING RAPE HER!

Whenever a woman is a victim of something she is to blame. Whether it be harassment, assault, or rape.

Yeah, and another double standard, when women conduct peaceful demonstrations against their mistreatment, we are crazy. When a man is oppressed, he is violent, they start wars and commit terrorist attacks. Who's the crazy ones?

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Men are so bad, everything is unfair, they don't do what I want buhuhuhu ... Woman are so bad, they only want to steal our money, men are discriminated by law buhuhuhu. Cry me a river. Fucking non-issues.

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