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2013 Jul 01 00:09
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2013 Jul 01 01:08
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That's what Eastern Europeans call logic, it's always the same.

> Fight against communist block
> Join EU and NATO right after gaining independence

> Heroically fight against Yugoslavian army for independence
> Join EU and sell out everything

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(2013 Jul 01 13:10)Temnozor Wrote:  > Heroically fight against Yugoslavian army for independence
> Join EU and sell out everything

Here in Croatia, the accession is peddled as some kind of return to our civilized roots. Some folks are even buying it because there exist a certain national frustration resulting from the fact that we were forced to live in a Balkan backwater for quite some time.

We must dissent.

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2013 Jul 01 16:36
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In Finland we have the national trauma of "finlandization", where we had to play nice with the Soviets and live with their whims. The irony is, that the harshest (right-wing/liberal) critics of the national shame of Finnlandisierung want to be as integrated into NATO, EU, etc, as possible, as if that was somehow more independent.

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2013 Jul 01 16:49
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I can't get behind that kind of national psychology. It's like people have forgotten about the meaning of "independence".

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2013 Jul 01 16:55
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(2013 Jul 01 13:10)Temnozor Wrote:  > Join EU and sell out everything

Oh no need for EU, it's already done. Facepalm

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2013 Jul 01 18:06
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To be honest, I didn't know this until now (shame on me)...anyway, I won't congratulate you for it's not an appropiate moment.cry
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(2013 Jul 01 16:55)Temnozor Wrote:  I can't get behind that kind of national psychology. It's like people have forgotten about the meaning of "independence".

If they ever cared for it in the first place. After the war the anti-communists and generally "white" Finland closed ranks and together with the social democrats built a strong cult around "independence" and the national narrative. After the collapse of USSR it seems every shade of opportunism and careerism took the lead in national policy.

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(2013 Jul 01 20:08)Mustapaita Wrote:  After the collapse of USSR it seems every shade of opportunism and careerism took the lead in national policy.

It was very, very similar here. Several years after the war, the cadres who saw Croatia as a sovereign and relatively strong state were swept aside with foreign help and subsequently replaced with careerists and ex-communists turned liberals. We basically became a EU colony already in the early 2000s. But paradoxically, this sad day may yet prove beneficial because the political elite can no longer use the (shameful!) bipartisan goal of EU accession as a justification for everything, which means it will likely be in disarray once the dust has settled. Also, we Croats like to pass the blame for everything that happens and the EU will be a nice target.

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