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RE: Ukrainian Spring
There still seems to be an insurmountable gap between western and eastern Ukraine - not very surprisingly if you look at the history of that region. Like Belgium the Ukraine is a strangely divided state, with a majority of the citizens in the capital unable (or unwilling) to speak Ukrainian (same thing in Brussels), millions of ethnic minorities and not even the slightest hope for a self-sustaining economy.


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2013 Dec 03 13:59
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RE: Ukrainian Spring
(2013 Dec 03 13:59)Phlegethon Wrote:  There still seems to be an insurmountable gap between western and eastern Ukraine - not very surprisingly if you look at the history of that region. Like Belgium the Ukraine is a strangely divided state, with a majority of the citizens in the capital unable (or unwilling) to speak Ukrainian (same thing in Brussels), millions of ethnic minorities and not even the slightest hope for a self-sustaining economy.

I don't think it's a good idea to make a comparison between Belgium and Ukraine. From that I have read eastern Ukrainians have been Russified linguistically but they feel Ukrainians, that explains why a big majority of them voted for independence in 1990. Only Crimea could be considered as ethnically Russian.

Meanwhile in Kiev :




https://www.facebook.com/inna.shevchenko...7600307333 Big Grin
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RE: Ukrainian Spring
A colleague of mine said she talked to a person who has acquaintances among the Belarusian police, who have returned from Kiev, where they were employed as provocateurs, to provoke clashes with 'Berkut'. 60 $ per day. Also she said the person regretted saying that.

Believable or not? Rolleyes

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RE: Ukrainian Spring
If large parts of the opposition is bought why shouldn't that be true for the pro-government forces?


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2013 Dec 09 12:22
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(2013 Dec 09 12:22)Phlegethon Wrote:  If large parts of the opposition is bought why shouldn't that be true for the pro-government forces?

Yeah... But only 60 $? Even if they cover all the expenses this job must cost more. PERKELE

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2013 Dec 09 12:30
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60 bucks per day sounds like a shitload of money if compared to regular wages in that region.


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2013 Dec 09 12:55
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(2013 Dec 09 12:09)Whiteruthenian Wrote:  A colleague of mine said she talked to a person who has acquaintances among the Belarusian police, who have returned from Kiev, where they were employed as provocateurs, to provoke clashes with 'Berkut'. 60 $ per day. Also she said the person regretted saying that.

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I have already heard the same thing from a friend from Kiev.

(2013 Dec 09 12:09)Phlegethon Wrote:  60 bucks per day sounds like a shitload of money if compared to regular wages in that region.

I agree. Some guys who stayed on Maidan square during the "Orange revolution" were paid 10€ per night or something like that.
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Es spricht der Fuehrer:

http://en.svoboda.org.ua/news/comments/00008703/

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RE: Ukrainian Spring
i govorit NAROD!
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"And now if a whole nation fell into that? In such a case, I answer, infallibly they will return out of it. For life is no cunningly-devised deception or self deception, it is a great truth that thou art alive, that thou hast desires, necessities: neither can these subsist and satisfy themselves on delusions, but on fact. To fact, depend on it, we shall come back: to such fact, blessed or cursed, as we have wisdom for."
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RE: Ukrainian Spring
I still don't understand why a technically intelligent person like Oleh Tjahnybok wants to establish the Ukraine as a nuclear power (he witnessed Chernobyl and its aftermath) and demands a military alliance with Britain and the U.S.A. (he should know about the fate of their allies in history when the shit really hit the fan). It is also funny that he is sharing a platform with this blockhead Klitschko who technically does not even quality to run for president of the Ukraine and who according to the Swoboda platform isn't a proper Ukrainian, anyway. Not to mention that grandfather Klitschko was an NKVD officer.


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2013 Dec 20 22:50
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