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Just came across this picture by chance:
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- Struck me how they put the actual home up in the corner in the Volyn, and show the actual family in Galich. Kiev is just its religious capital, the Dnepr doesn't really flow where it ought, and the Crimea and Donbas are almost terra incognita, that the artist could only think of using as extra bits of garden to shove a rockery and a few apple trees into. I think this was all purely unconscious (though maybe they deliberately avoided having the Dnepr divide the country) but all the more indicative of deep truths because of that. The secessionist territories have zero place in the nationalist mythography of the Ukraine.

"And now if a whole nation fell into that? In such a case, I answer, infallibly they will return out of it. For life is no cunningly-devised deception or self deception, it is a great truth that thou art alive, that thou hast desires, necessities: neither can these subsist and satisfy themselves on delusions, but on fact. To fact, depend on it, we shall come back: to such fact, blessed or cursed, as we have wisdom for."
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RE: Ukrainian Spring
(2015 Dec 26 16:40)Osweo Wrote:  I think this was all purely unconscious (though maybe they deliberately avoided having the Dnepr divide the country) but all the more indicative of deep truths because of that.

It's always hard to know, is Osweo joking or is he serious? ???

But on this pic that I came across by chance you can even see a person on little Crimea. thumbs up


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(2015 Dec 26 17:26)Kat Wrote:  It's always hard to know, is Osweo joking or is he serious? ???
I never joke. none
Quote:But on this pic that I came across by chance you can even see a person on little Crimea. thumbs up

He's a tourist. Probably from Moscow. Big Grin

But look again; it clearly involved a BIT more of an effort from the artist or person commissioning it, but it's still more content-rich in the north-west. The Crimea has not one, but several endemic ethnic groups apart from the Russian majority who could have had their ethnographic peculiarities showcased, like their fellow citizens from Poland's backyard. But all they show is a tourist on a beach. Why so anxious to hold onto a territory, if all it means to you is a strip of sand by the sea? In the Donbas, they at least showed the coalmines, but there's more identity to the region than that. Luhansk is almost white! A generic windmill... Naturally, the local iconic monuments are pretty likely to be ideologically antagonistic to the sensibilities of Western Ukrainians... thumbs up

"And now if a whole nation fell into that? In such a case, I answer, infallibly they will return out of it. For life is no cunningly-devised deception or self deception, it is a great truth that thou art alive, that thou hast desires, necessities: neither can these subsist and satisfy themselves on delusions, but on fact. To fact, depend on it, we shall come back: to such fact, blessed or cursed, as we have wisdom for."
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RE: Ukrainian Spring
(2015 Dec 26 19:01)Osweo Wrote:  He's a tourist. Probably from Moscow. Big Grin

Where is his military uniform (sans insignia) ?




Quote:Demoralized by the losses of Donetsk airport, the Ukrainian arms faced the next tragedy in Debaltsevo. The beginning of 2015 was extremely successful for our enemy. It was necessary to act.
On February the tenth, 2015 the AZOV Regiment has began the offensive operation. The soldiers faced an extremely difficult mission - to fight the three fronts, involving only infantry units.
Azov fighters managed to consolidate strategically important points and thus to protect Mariupol from the shelling. The fighting in the village Shyrokyne lasted for six months until taking units out from positions.

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I've missed a lot (or I guess all of lately) of the big developments in Ukraine's nationalist movement.

Dmytro Yarosh’s Resignation from the Right Sector

Quote:In order to understand the significance of Yarosh’s resignation statement, one needs to consider two important points related to Ukraine’s domestic situation and international relations.

First, the Right Sector has evidently radicalised its rhetoric and actions after the signing of the Minsk II agreement in February 2015. Many fighters of the Right Sector battalion and its affiliated Ukrainian Volunteer Corps (also known by the Ukrainian acronym DUK) were unhappy about the “hybrid ceasefire” implied by the Minsk II agreement, as they preferred to continue fighting against the Russian invaders and their separatist proxies in Eastern Ukraine. Some members of the Right Sector were also unhappy about Ukraine’s new government and, especially, President Petro Poroshenko, who appeared, for some ultranationalists, as traitors to the Ukrainian revolution.

It would be too easy to explain the unhappiness of some members of the Right Sector about the “hybrid ceasefire” by their alleged bloodthirst. The war opens up many opportunities to those engaged in it. Of course, war, in a sense, is a desired state for many ultranationalists; they have a “genetic inclination” for war. However, this argument has a limited explanation power with respect to the unwillingness of some members of the Right Sector/DUK to end the fighting. Some fighters have used the war as a way to avoid persecution for the actions that the state would consider not entirely legal. They thought that their military feats would buy them a “legal” way out of Ukraine’s legal framework. In a few cases, that did happen, but in general several members of the Right Sector/DUK were held accountable for their illegal actions.

While there are many other explanations why the Right Sector is unsatisfied with the Minsk II agreement, the crucial point is that the Right Sector has become the most radical opposition to Poroshenko and the government. They still crave a national revolution, as they believe that the revolution that started with the Euromaidan protests was an unfinished revolution, or was not a revolution at all. Thus, the Right Sector is a direct threat to the constitutional order in Ukraine, especially given the fact that the Right Sector/DUK fighters have arms that can be used against state officials. Not that the Right Sector can stage a coup d’état – they have neither sufficient human resources nor ample public support for this – but their actions may lead to further destabilisation of the weak Ukrainian state, and the Russian invaders can use this destabilisation to their avail. This is something that Yarosh, being a relatively moderate and balanced politician, understands well. And this is why Yarosh acted as a mediator between the state and the extremists in the Right Sector. However, the frustration among the Right Sector’s fighters grew stronger, and they started asking the leadership of the organisation “to give them the order”.
Rest of article - The Interpreter

Some interesting things have happened.

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Anxious Ukraine Risks Escalation In 'Creeping Offensive'

NOVOLUHANSKE, Ukraine -- The way Ukrainian commander Vyacheslav "Eagle-Owl" Vlasenko described it, his troops snuck into this rustic town of 4,000 people in broad daylight and took it -- and a valuable pig farm -- without firing a shot.

Concealed in trucks that looked like those used by the pig farm, the troops' advance into Nuvoluhanske -- which had been part of the gray zone, a ravaged no-man's land between the warring sides -- took their Russia-backed separatist foes by surprise.

"We used civilian trucks and a sort of maskirovka," Vlasenko, clad in fatigues, told RFE/RL at the command-and-control center of the Ukrainian Army's 46th battalion in nearby Zaitseve on January 23. It was a reference to a deception tactic widely credited to Russian military planners and employed by the Kremlin when it seized Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula in 2014. (...)

http://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-russia-cr...68104.html

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(2014 Jul 08 23:51)W. R. Wrote:  
Quote:Ukrainian pilot Nadia Savchenko is being held in Russian prison

July 8, 2014

The well-known Ukrainian pilot Nadia Savchenko, who went as a volunteer to fight the terrorists in the ATO zone, is in prison in Russia’s Voronezh Oblast, [near the Ukrainian border] according to TSN. <...>

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The partial text of Nadiya Savchenko’s interrogation is here.

Freed from Putin’s Russia, a Ukrainian pilot puts Poroshenko and his party – ‘enemy No. 2’ – in her sights

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Last updated: Tuesday, Feb. 28, 2017 6:23PM EST


… Then the conversation takes a turn for the alarming. Asked how she’d govern, Ms. Savchenko says Ukraine needs a military-style government if the country is going to both stand up to Mr. Putin and get respect in the age of Donald Trump.

She rattles off an oddball list of political idols, headed by former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet, followed by a few more palatable names in Margaret Thatcher, Angela Merkel, Ronald Reagan and Nelson Mandela.

“Obviously, he was a dictator, but in an altruistic way. The country was much better after him than it was before him,” she says of General Pinochet. She makes it clear she’d rule Ukraine in the same way.

“I’m pretty sure it should be more or less a dictatorship [in Ukraine] after the war, just to stabilize the country and normalize the situation. We need to have a strong leader who can control the situation until it passes through to the next stage of development.”

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Denis Voronenkov: ex-Russian MP who fled to Ukraine killed in Kiev
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The Kremlin? Nationalists?

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Former Georgia president Saakashvili arrested in Kyiv in dramatic rooftop scene
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