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Solberg: Norway needs smart foreigners
Solberg: Norway needs smart foreigners

Published: 27 Dec 2013 12:02 GMT+01:00
Updated: 27 Dec 2013 12:02 GMT+01:00

Moving to Norway should be made easier for highly-qualified foreign workers, Prime Minister Erna Solberg has said, as she unveiled plans to allow non-European experts and specialists to jump immigration queues.

“We must make Norway more attractive for highly-skilled labour from other countries,” she said. Her plans include a fast-lane for applications from experts from outside the EU and EES. She also wants to give pre-approved employers the right to jump the queue. (...)

http://www.thelocal.no/20131227/solberg-foreign-workers

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RE: Solberg: Norway needs smart foreigners
The last smart foreigners Norway has seen was in 1940 when the Germans (including my grandfather) occupied the country to keep the Tommies out.

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Smart foreigners always willing to do the dirty work nobody else wants to do.


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(2013 Dec 28 22:06)Phlegethon Wrote:  The last smart foreigners Norway has seen was in 1940 when the Germans (including my grandfather) occupied the country to keep the Tommies out.
Is this what you believe to be the reason for the invasion of Norway?

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RE: Solberg: Norway needs smart foreigners
Keeping the British infiltrators at bay and having northern naval bases for u-boats certainly was much more important than iron ore. In some places where the Germans were stationed Norwegians were quite sympathetic, actually. The general resentment and resistance story is a Norwegian post-Quisling myth. My grandfather learnt to speak fluent Norwegian up there and made friends who often visited him in Germany well after the war.


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(2013 Dec 29 18:41)Phlegethon Wrote:  Keeping the British infiltrators at bay and having northern naval bases for u-boats certainly was much more important than iron ore. In some places where the Germans were stationed Norwegians were quite sympathetic, actually. The general resentment and resistance story is a Norwegian post-Quisling myth. My grandfather learnt to speak fluent Norwegian up there and made friends who often visited him in Germany well after the war.
First of all it were the Germans that were the infiltrators, the occupation indeed was not done solely for the purpose to secure some iron ore shippings, but to establish a German controlled Europe - with a permanent occupation of Norway.
Fraternization with the enemy happened on both sides, that's nothing new.

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“My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.” Carl Schurz

"Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms."
Aristotle

"Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must." Thucydides
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RE: Solberg: Norway needs smart foreigners
Norway wasn't neutral because they were aware of and did nothing to prevent the massive British intervention there. As Germany was at war with Britain Norway became a combatant. Despite all the post-war propaganda there is no hard evidence that there ever was a plan for permanent occupation of either Norway, nor Denmark, nor France, nor Bohemia and Moravia and the other territories occupied later on. The end-of-all-discussion argument of "German world domination" completely collapses under closer scrutiny - and we can witness this by the current massive outcry of the German system whore historians now that a lot of mainly Anglo-Saxon monographies shoot massive holes into the Fritz Fischer fairy tale story. If the WW1 legend does not hold any water anymore the whole WW2 necessarily will appear in a different light as well.


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(2013 Dec 29 20:15)Phlegethon Wrote:  Norway wasn't neutral because they were aware of and did nothing to prevent the massive British intervention there. As Germany was at war with Britain Norway became a combatant. Despite all the post-war propaganda there is no hard evidence that there ever was a plan for permanent occupation of either Norway, nor Denmark, nor France, nor Bohemia and Moravia and the other territories occupied later on. The end-of-all-discussion argument of "German world domination" completely collapses under closer scrutiny - and we can witness this by the current massive outcry of the German system whore historians now that a lot of mainly Anglo-Saxon monographies shoot massive holes into the Fritz Fischer fairy tale story. If the WW1 legend does not hold any water anymore the whole WW2 necessarily will appear in a different light as well.

Ah, therefor leading Nazi officials spoke about the Lebensraum that Germany will gain after the invasion of the USSR and therefor they wanted to bring Poland, Czechoslovakia etc. to vanish from earth.....
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(2013 Dec 29 20:15)Phlegethon Wrote:  Norway wasn't neutral because they were aware of and did nothing to prevent the massive British intervention there.
The British intervention started after the German breach of Norwegian neutrality.
Some examples:

4.-20.1939
Ostsee
Die Minenschiffe Hansestadt Danzig, Tannenberg und das Schulschiff Brummer...Am Südeingang des Nordeingang des Großen Belt
Am Südeingang des Großen Belt legen Preussen und Hansestadt Danzig am 5./6.9. und die Preussen nochmals am 20.9. die Minensperre »Jade« speziell gegen eindringende U-Boote.

(German Minelayers mine the south entry of the northern entry of the Great Belt and the south entry of the Great Belt. The minefield in the Sound was called Undine, the north entry of the Great Belt minefield Großer Bär and the south entry of Great Belt minefield Jade.)
http://www.wlb-stuttgart.de/seekrieg/39-08.htm

18.11.1939
Norwegen
Das Troßschiff Westerwald wird nach Versorgung des Panzerschiffs Deutschland im Nordatlantik auf seinem Rückweg in norwegischen Hoheitsgebiet von norwegischen Torpedobooten angehalten. Nach scharfen Protesten der deutschen Regierung darf die Westerwald ihre Reise fortsetzen und erreicht am 22.11. Swinemünde.

(The military German vessel Westerwald enters Norwegian waters after re-supplying cruiser Deutschland, Norwegians stop it but release it after German protests.)
http://www.wlb-stuttgart.de/seekrieg/39-11.htm

4.– 6.12.1939
Norwegen
Minenunternehmen des Kreuzers Nürnberg (Kpt.z.S. Klüber) vor Kristiansand.

(German cruiser Nürnberg mines waters in front of Kristiansand.)

http://www.wlb-stuttgart.de/seekrieg/39-12.htm

12./13.12.1939
Ostsee
Die schwed. Schiffe Torö (1467 BRT) und Algol (978 BRT) gehen bei Falsterbö Riff auf schwedischen Minen verloren. -- Auf deutschen Wunsch legte Schweden ebenso wie Dänemark in eigenen Hoheitsgewässern Minensperren gegen das Eindringen britischer Unterseeboote in die Ostsee.

(According to German wishes, Sweden as well as Denmark mine own territorial waters against British submarines.)

http://www.wlb-stuttgart.de/seekrieg/39-12.htm

23./24.2.1940
Nordsee
Nach Auffangen verdächtiger Morsezeichen werden in den Morgenstunden des 24.2. bei der Doggerbank die vier dänischen Fischkutter Ejjam, Gerlis, Merkator und Polaris vom dem dt. Minensuchboot M 1 (Kptlt. Bartels) durch Rammung versenkt. Von den Kutterbesatzungen wird "aus militärischen Gründen" niemand gerettet

(Sinking of four Danish fish trawlers for allegedly transmitting secret messages, no one of their crews is saved for "military" reasons.)

http://www.wlb-stuttgart.de/seekrieg/40-02.htm
http://www.wlb-stuttgart.de/seekrieg/mis...-02-24.htm

6.– 7.3.1940
Norwegen
Das dt. Troßschiff Altmark verlegt unter Geleitschutz des norw. Minenlegers Olav Tryggvason und des kleinen Zerstörers Odin vom Jössingfjord zum Sandefjord.

(Altmark was escorted by Norwegian ships through neutral Norwegian waters.)
http://www.wlb-stuttgart.de/seekrieg/40-03.htm

2.4.1940
Nordsee
Das als norweg. Dampfer getarnte Schiff 11 / Ulm (KKpt. Betzendahl) wirft östlich Smith´s Knoll eine Minensperre (90 Minen und 84 Sprengbojen).

(Disguised as a Norwegian steamer, Ulm mines Smith´s Knoll) (abuse of neutral flag)

http://www.wlb-stuttgart.de/seekrieg/40-04.htm

and so on...

(2013 Dec 29 20:15)Phlegethon Wrote:  As Germany was at war with Britain Norway became a combatant.
Norway became a combatant because it was assaulted by Germany. Pointing to the British reaction (e.g. Operation Wilfred) as reason and legitimation for German agressions is ridiculous.
(2013 Dec 29 20:15)Phlegethon Wrote:  Despite all the post-war propaganda there is no hard evidence that there ever was a plan for permanent occupation of either Norway, nor Denmark, nor France, nor Bohemia and Moravia and the other territories occupied later on.
You just ignore evidence and stick to NS-propaganda.
The German occupation forces had already started to construct Nordstern, the remains still can be visited.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordstern

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Ger...ern_France

(2013 Dec 29 20:15)Phlegethon Wrote:  The end-of-all-discussion argument of "German world domination" completely collapses under closer scrutiny -
I think the word Weltmacht simply has been mistranslated, maybe out of propagandistic reasons...
(2013 Dec 29 20:15)Phlegethon Wrote:  and we can witness this by the current massive outcry of the German system whore historians now that a lot of mainly Anglo-Saxon monographies shoot massive holes into the Fritz Fischer fairy tale story.
What are you talking about? Sleepwalker Christopher Clark? He is a joke, and Fritz Fischer did excellent work by publishing primary sources such as archive material. Untouchable, hard facts - not the stuff fairy tales are made of.
(2013 Dec 29 20:15)Phlegethon Wrote:  If the WW1 legend does not hold any water anymore the whole WW2 necessarily will appear in a different light as well.
I have no clue what legend you are talking about...it seems you can't tell reality from legends anymore.

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Aristotle

"Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must." Thucydides
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Nice list, unfortunately it does not mention the many commando operations by the British army in Norway well before the beginning of your list. Neither the British nor the Norwegians deny that today, just German system historians blend that out on purpose.

(2013 Dec 29 21:02)Cinnamon Wrote:  Ah, therefor leading Nazi officials spoke about the Lebensraum that Germany will gain after the invasion of the USSR and therefor they wanted to bring Poland, Czechoslovakia etc. to vanish from earth.....

Apart from the fact that this is mere hearsay and not a reflection of the actual military planning in how far does that refer to Norway?


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RE: Solberg: Norway needs smart foreigners
(2013 Dec 29 21:40)Phlegethon Wrote:  Nice list, unfortunately it does not mention the many commando operations by the British army in Norway well before the beginning of your list. Neither the British nor the Norwegians deny that today, just German system historians blend that out on purpose.
Evidence? What was the purpose of sending British commandos to neutral pre-war Norway?

http://orbat.com/site/history/volume5/51...201939.pdf

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“My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.” Carl Schurz

"Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms."
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"Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must." Thucydides
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