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(2013 Dec 29 21:40)Phlegethon Wrote:  Nice list, unfortunately it does not mention the many commando operations by the British army in Norway well before the beginning of your list. Neither the British nor the Norwegians deny that today, just German system historians blend that out on purpose.

(2013 Dec 29 21:02)Cinnamon Wrote:  Ah, therefor leading Nazi officials spoke about the Lebensraum that Germany will gain after the invasion of the USSR and therefor they wanted to bring Poland, Czechoslovakia etc. to vanish from earth.....

Apart from the fact that this is mere hearsay and not a reflection of the actual military planning in how far does that refer to Norway?

So, you have introduced the other countries (like Czechoslovakia) and now you don't have anything else to say about it so you blame me for answering. Intellectual highly dishonest.
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I was just trying to point out that all this talk about a Großdeutschland including all these occupied territories was neither wanted, nor intended, nor planned, nor propagated. It is simply a post-war fabrication propagated by Sefton Delmer and his media outlets in Germany. You won't find anything in the archives that corroborate this land of make-believe. As most folks never bother to check the sources and tune in to Guido Knopp because watching government TV does not make their little heads ache these fabrications have a very long life.


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2013 Dec 29 22:04
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(2013 Dec 29 22:04)Phlegethon Wrote:  I was just trying to point out that all this talk about a Großdeutschland including all these occupied territories was neither wanted, nor intended, nor planned, nor propagated. It is simply a post-war fabrication propagated by Sefton Delmer and his media outlets in Germany. You won't find anything in the archives that corroborate this land of make-believe. As most folks never bother to check the sources and tune in to Guido Knopp because watching government TV does not make their little heads ache these fabrications have a very long life.

Ah yes, yes yes yes, yes. Everything a lie.....

http://www.spiegel.de/international/euro...59095.html

Quote:Frank was unashamedly proud of his ruthless regime, which contrasted with the comparatively lenient system of rule in the "Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia," as the Nazis called the majority ethnic-Czech region they had occupied. In 1940, Frank told a reporter for the Völkische Beobachter newspaper: "In Prague, for example, large red posters were hung up announcing that seven Czechs had been executed that day." That had made him think: "If I had to hang up a poster every time we shot seven Poles, we'd have to cut down all the Polish forests, and we still wouldn't be able to produce enough paper for all the posters I'd need."
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Funny, by quoting DER SPIEGEL you just quote the main media outlet of British black propaganda expert Sefton Delmer. Apart from that Hans Frank hat alsolutely nothing to do with military planning but was an extremely disliked NS administrator. Even by stretching my imagination I still do not see any connection between your quote and the topic of this thread.

Hitler's man in Norway was Josef Terboven, another extremely unsympathetic NS official whose family farm used to be next to my family's one. Although he definitely did not have many friends in Norway even he had no annexation plans (of course as a mere subordinate he would not have been in a position to make such a decision, anyway).


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(2013 Dec 29 22:04)Phlegethon Wrote:  I was just trying to point out that all this talk about a Großdeutschland including all these occupied territories was neither wanted, nor intended, nor planned, nor propagated.
One does not know what to say about this... There is so much research about German imperialist plans to establish hegemony over Europe that it is proven beyond doubt.
There are enough documented concepts left on how the NS wanted a German dominated Europe...
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Hu..._in_Europa

http://gplanost.x-berg.de/gplanost.html
http://www.1000dokumente.de/?c=dokument_...ntext&l=de
(2013 Dec 29 22:04)Phlegethon Wrote:  It is simply a post-war fabrication propagated by Sefton Delmer and his media outlets in Germany.
Uh oh, actually post war NS fabricated Delmer quotes:
http://justice4germans.com/2013/06/17/ra...ganda-etc/
(and Churchill quotes like: "Germany's unforgivable crime before the second world war was its attempt to loosen its economy out of the world trade system and to build up an own exchange system from which the world-finance couldn't profit anymore.")
There you have your propaganda.
(2013 Dec 29 22:04)Phlegethon Wrote:  You won't find anything in the archives that corroborate this land of make-believe. As most folks never bother to check the sources and tune in to Guido Knopp because watching government TV does not make their little heads ache these fabrications have a very long life.
The only one not checking sources and making propaganda is you, I have the habit to check primary sources, and not just to believe anything what others tell...

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(2013 Dec 29 22:04)Phlegethon Wrote:  I was just trying to point out that all this talk about a Großdeutschland including all these occupied territories was neither wanted, nor intended, nor planned, nor propagated. It is simply a post-war fabrication propagated by Sefton Delmer and his media outlets in Germany. You won't find anything in the archives that corroborate this land of make-believe. As most folks never bother to check the sources and tune in to Guido Knopp because watching government TV does not make their little heads ache these fabrications have a very long life.

What do you say about this part of Reinhard Heydrich's inauguration speech on 2nd of October 1941?

Quote:Das zweite sind die Osträume, die zum Teil slawisch besiedelt sind, in denen man wissen muss, das Güte nur als Schwäche ausgelegt wird, und in denen der Slawe selber gar nicht will, dass er gleichberechtigt behandelt wird, wo er gewöhnt ist, dass der Herr sich mit ihm nicht gemein macht. Das sind also die Räume, die wir nun im Osten zu führen und zu behalten haben, in denen eine deutsche Oberschicht nach der militärischen Entwicklung, bis weit nach Russland hinaus, bis weit an den Ural einmal in der ganz klaren Führungsform als Rohstoffbasis, als Arbeiter für grosse-, auch Kulturaufgaben, als Heloten, wenn ich es ganz drastisch sagen will, für uns eingesetzt werden muss. Das sind die Räume, die man eigentlich behandelt wie die Eindeichung neuen Landes an der Küste, indem man ganz im Osten einen Wehrwall zieht von Wehrbauern, um dieses Land einmal abzuriegeln gegen die Sturmflut Asiens, und dass man es dann durch Querwälle unterteilt, um allmählich diesen Boden für uns zu gewinnen, indem man weiterhin am Rande des eigentlichen Deutschland, das von deutschem Blut besiedelt wird, immer langsam einen deutschen Wall vorlegt nach dem anderen, damit man nach dem Osten hinaus durch deutsche Menschen, die deutschen Blutes sind, die deutsche Besiedlung vortragen kann. Unter diesen Gesichtspunkt mögen Sie im Osten alle die Aufgaben sehen, die wir nun dort zu erfüllen haben. Der erste Wall, von diesem Protektoratsraum will ich nachher sprechen, wird im Osten durch die beiden Provinzen Danzig-Westpreussen und Warthegau gebildet, die, zusammen mit Ostpreussen und mit schlesischen Teilen, vor etwa einem Jahr noch eine Vollbesiedlung von fast 8 Millionen Polen hatten, das sind die Räume, die nun ganz systematisch deutsch besiedelt werden müssen, um Stück um Stück und Zug um Zug das polnische Element herauszustossen.

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(2013 Dec 30 00:28)Temnozor Wrote:  What do you say about this part of Reinhard Heydrich's inauguration speech on 2nd of October 1941?

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"Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms."
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"Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must." Thucydides
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Getting back to the original topic, I do not think that Norway will be successful in recruiting highly skilled workers from abroad. First of all they have been trying that for the last few years without any real signs of success because a) other countries are better adapted to integrating foreigners, b) nobody wants to live in Norway if it means outside of Oslo and c) even if you make a decent wage there the ridiculously high costs of living pushes you down to a level of either a welfare recipient with a kid or a regular worker in your own country. The climate is also a factor one should not underestimate. Few folks can handle living in six months of darkness without psychological impediments.

So all Norway will get in the future is the same undesirables from Somalia, Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia and Albania - just like Germany.


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Ethnic Norwegians in population decline

Published: 11 Dec 2013 09:49 GMT+01:00
Updated: 11 Dec 2013 09:49 GMT+01:00


The number of ethnic Norwegians has dropped over the past decade, with Norway's population growth attributable solely to immigration and children born to Norwegians with an immigrant background, according to figures from Statistics Norway.

"The group without any element of immigration, either from their parents of grandparents, has declined in recent years," Minja Dzmarija, a researcher at Statistics Norway, told Aftenposten. "This means that among ethnic Norwegians there are more who die or move abroad than those who are born or move back to Norway."

According to her article in Samfunnsspeilet, Statistics's Norway's in-house magazine, the number of ethnic Norwegians has declined by 4,400 people over the past nine years, while the total population has grown from 4.6 million to 5.1 million people.

The proportion of immigrants in the country has increased from 15 percent in 2004 to 23 percent today.

http://www.thelocal.no/20131211/ethnic-n...researcher

"The secret to happiness is freedom... And the secret to freedom is courage."
Thucydides

“My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.” Carl Schurz

"Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms."
Aristotle

"Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must." Thucydides
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