Italian Police: Venetian ‘Terrorists’ Planned Assault In Homemade Tank
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Italian Police: Venetian ‘Terrorists’ Planned Assault In Homemade Tank
Police arrested 24 people suspected of involvement in a separatist plot to violently sever ties between Venice and the rest of Italy. Authorities believe the group was planning an assault in a bulldozer that had been converted into a makeshift tank, complete with cannon

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http://time.com/47220/italy-venice-separatist-tank/
2014 Apr 03 19:36
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RE: Italian Police: Venetian ‘Terrorists’ Planned Assault In Homemade Tank
Shades of Killdozer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Heemeyer

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RE: Italian Police: Venetian ‘Terrorists’ Planned Assault In Homemade Tank
Veniceformers!


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Nay, in oaks on woody hill
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2014 Apr 04 10:14
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(2014 Apr 04 10:14)Phlegethon Wrote:  Veniceformers!

It's very serious alas. Recently in a digital poll more than two million venetians expressed themselves in favour of independence.

The regional Council of Veneto has just approved of the realization of an official referendum for the independence of the region.

So many see this crackdown on a party of half fools as an attempt to intimidate all the venetians who are seeking independence through pacific means.

This hypothesis is based on the fact that the investigation had been going on for three years, and the bulldozer was far from finished: when seized, carabinieri couldn't make it start for a whole morning ...


This is a hit under the belly, a ragtag army of 24 dreamers couldn't be dangerous in any way.

It reminds me of the provocations of the sixties and seventies, when the state used to secretly infiltrate both marxist and right wing extremist group and used them as political tools to justify repression.
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Is this sort of thing far more advanced in Venetia than Lombardy and Piemonte? Is their identity a bit more distinct, and thus easier to separate off from the rest of you? Will you westerners be following soon, do you think?

(2014 Apr 04 12:44)Kernunnos Wrote:  when the state used to secretly infiltrate both
Oh??? Did your last cheque from them bounce? My payments have been coming in fine. ;)

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(2014 Apr 04 12:52)Osweo Wrote:  Is this sort of thing far more advanced in Venetia than Lombardy and Piemonte? Is their identity a bit more distinct, and thus easier to separate off from the rest of you? Will you westerners be following soon, do you think?

(2014 Apr 04 12:44)Kernunnos Wrote:  when the state used to secretly infiltrate both
Oh??? Did your last cheque from them bounce? My payments have been coming in fine. ;)

There is a stronger independentist tradition in Veneto as it was the core territory of the republic of venice, which as a single state had the longer histories of all the italian paeninsula older states.

Yes, Lombardy is following suit, especially for the fact that Eastern Lombardy was actually, as for my province, a venetian territory.
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RE: Italian Police: Venetian ‘Terrorists’ Planned Assault In Homemade Tank
Turning a tractor into a tank simply sounds too outlandish even for the lunatic fringe elements of politics. Sounds like an April Fools' joke. And even if it looks like a tank it simply isn't a tank and one single shot could take the whole machine out.


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But how do you get to parade around the Piazza San Marco in a converted bulldozer?

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(2014 Apr 04 23:35)Eldritch Wrote:  But how do you get to parade around the Piazza San Marco in a converted bulldozer?


You can't get there without a special freight ship ... all is strange about these accusations.

The secretary of the Northern league has pored through the 220 pages of investigation files and he has said to have found nothing significant.
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RE: Italian Police: Venetian ‘Terrorists’ Planned Assault In Homemade Tank
Once completed it probably would have been able to fly as well. Anyway, if I were among those arrested in the raid I'd simply claim that this tank was custom-made for pidgeon control.


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