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Scots didn't do what the the yanks did-- fill the lobsterbacks full of lead shot Hmm...

VOTE them out (next time) Eek Haha. none

You goddamn communist heathen, you had best sound off that you love the Virgin Mary... or I'm gonna stomp your guts out!
2014 Sep 23 05:22
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Temples drear where ancients trod,—
Nay, in oaks on woody hill
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2014 Sep 24 14:38
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(2014 Sep 22 21:54)Osweo Wrote:  I don't understand that, really. Especially in the case of countries where economic disparities mean that, at any given time, a good proportion if not a majority of natives of working age will be found abroad.

As the saying goes: If you leave your family you can no longer decide the colour of the roof of their house.
2014 Sep 30 11:45
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(2014 Sep 30 11:45)Kristel Wrote:  As the saying goes: If you leave your family you can no longer decide the colour of the roof of their house.

But if we want to know what the Smith family think about something, we don't just ask Granny Smith, Half-Wit Uncle Bob, and the lodger Muhammad McMuhammad.

"And now if a whole nation fell into that? In such a case, I answer, infallibly they will return out of it. For life is no cunningly-devised deception or self deception, it is a great truth that thou art alive, that thou hast desires, necessities: neither can these subsist and satisfy themselves on delusions, but on fact. To fact, depend on it, we shall come back: to such fact, blessed or cursed, as we have wisdom for."
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(2014 Sep 30 17:43)Osweo Wrote:  But if we want to know what the Smith family think about something, we don't just ask Granny Smith, Half-Wit Uncle Bob, and the lodger Muhammad McMuhammad.

People who hold this kind of contempt towards the people living in their native country should never have a right to vote.
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In case you haven't had enough Latynina for today:

“The problem is that it's enough to vote only once “for” and there will never be a way back, because countries disintegrate, but countries do not assemble.

Pay your attention to this interesting phenomenon: for example there is a wonderful country of Moldova, that, when it left the Soviet Union, thought naturally that it would reunite with Romania, because these are in fact one people. Do you know why that did not happened? For one simple reason. Because once a local government is formed it wants to preserve its power. Countries do not assemble in consequence of integration, countries assemble in consequence of wars.

Since in the current Europe there are no wars, they will most probably continue to disintegrate, especially since, no matter how sad it is, it is very convenient for the European Union. Why is it convenient for the European Union? For a very simple reason: the smaller are units that constitute the EU, the more power EU officials have. If you have Great Britain, it is a serious player, and if you have separately England and Scotland, this becomes a completely different matter. If you have Spain, this is a serious player, and if you have Catalonia, the Basque Country separately, and the rest of Spain separately and in addition Aragon may leave Castile (you never know), this becomes a completely different matter.”


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(2014 Oct 06 10:58)Kristel Wrote:  
(2014 Sep 30 17:43)Osweo Wrote:  But if we want to know what the Smith family think about something, we don't just ask Granny Smith, Half-Wit Uncle Bob, and the lodger Muhammad McMuhammad.

People who hold this kind of contempt towards the people living in their native country should never have a right to vote.

I don't understand what you mean there, could you spell it out for me? ??? As a nationalist, I regard 'Scotland' as something more than merely the agglomerate of registered residents at a particular instant. For smaller ethnicities, it's a fact of life that a major part of the active youthful population will be away working elsewhere. Doesn't seem fair to me to deny them any input on the future of their homeland, especially when it would have a major impact on their decision whether or not to return later in life.

"And now if a whole nation fell into that? In such a case, I answer, infallibly they will return out of it. For life is no cunningly-devised deception or self deception, it is a great truth that thou art alive, that thou hast desires, necessities: neither can these subsist and satisfy themselves on delusions, but on fact. To fact, depend on it, we shall come back: to such fact, blessed or cursed, as we have wisdom for."
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(2014 Oct 06 21:44)Osweo Wrote:  I don't understand what you mean there, could you spell it out for me? ??? As a nationalist, I regard 'Scotland' as something more than merely the agglomerate of registered residents at a particular instant. For smaller ethnicities, it's a fact of life that a major part of the active youthful population will be away working elsewhere. Doesn't seem fair to me to deny them any input on the future of their homeland, especially when it would have a major impact on their decision whether or not to return later in life.

People who have lived abroad for some years usually fall into two cathegories:

1) They despise the people in their native country, thinking the people back home are some kind of dumb rednecks because they stayed at home.

OR

2) They idealize their home country, having a golden picture of it and the people in it that has absolutely nothing to do with reality.

None of these are qualified to make decisions that might in a big way change the life for the people still living at home.

And if you are a nationalist, do you really want the emigrants to come back home? With their Chinese wifes and Nigerian men? Because mixed marriages are what happen to most emigrants.
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Looks like Scotland dodged an economic bullet by voting against independence. The oil price has almost halved since earlier this year, which, if repeated after Scotland would have become independent, would seriously harm the Scottish economy.

Quote:Oil rout would have wrecked an independent Scotland’s finances

Scotland’s North Sea revenues would have slumped to one fifth of Holyrood’s preferred forecasts in its first year of independence if Scots had voted Yes in September, according to an Office for Budget Responsibility simulation using current oil prices.

The OBR projections, which take into account a dramatically lower oil price than the one used in Scottish government forecasts, highlight how the nation could have been saved from a crisis in its public finances by voting No in the referendum.

Had Scotland voted Yes to independence, it would now be looking at oil revenues of £1.25bn instead of £6.9bn in 2016-17 — its first year as a new country — while facing a deficit of close to 6 per cent of national income, compared with a UK forecast of 2.1 per cent.

Paul Johnson, director of the Institute for Fiscal Studies, said the OBR scenario highlighted “the uncertainty and volatility of oil prices . . . and their impact on Scotland, which is far more dependent on oil revenues than the rest of the UK”.

North Sea revenues are already falling to negligible levels, after Brent crude oil prices plunged from $97 a barrel on the day of the independence referendum to $61 last week. Meanwhile, delays to east coast investment projects are forcing the government to consider cutting taxes further in an attempt to stem the slide in new exploration.

The oil price collapse is partly blamed on higher shale oil supply from the US and Opec output that has exceeded estimates. Ali al-Naimi, Saudi Arabia’s oil minister, has said the $60-a-barrel mark is “temporary”, while other ministers have said it will be months before prices stabilise.
Professor Alexander Kemp of the University of Aberdeen said an oil price below $70 a barrel in the longer term would damage prospects for future Scottish oil extraction. He forecast the lower price would mean the number of probable new oilfields over the next 35 years would more than halve from 188 to 85. “Clearly, tax revenues will come right down,” he added.

The OBR published the simulation of oil revenues in July on different price forecasts. The most pessimistic scenario assumed crude prices higher than those today with $77 a barrel in 2015-16, but following a path similar to the current oil futures prices with a $75-a-barrel price in 2018-19.

Under this scenario, even taking into account lower investment in the North Sea, the OBR forecast that between 2014-15 and 2018-19, revenues broadly applicable to Scotland — 90 per cent of the total — would reach £8bn. That figure is less than a quarter of the Scottish government’s preferred forecast of £34bn for the revenues it believed it could expect over the same period based on what it thought was a cautious estimate that oil prices remained at $110 a barrel, encouraging stronger output.

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(2014 Sep 19 13:55)Phlegethon Wrote:  With the right EU citizens in Scotland the Yes campaign would have certainly won. Too bad someone poured some stupidity potion into the tap water supplies.
According to one poll of almost 4000 people after the referendum, a slim majority of Scots-born voted for independence. Looks like non-Scots stole independence out of Scots' hands.

Quote:A total of 74 per cent of those voters who were born elsewhere in the UK voted No. Some 51 per cent of Scots-born voters supported independence.

Good news for the separatists: The elderly were largely Unionist, by over a 2 to 1 margin, and it was the propensity of this group to vote that "won it" for the No team. When these lot die off, maybe another vote on independence could be won.

Quote:The biggest supporters of No were voters over 65, with two in every three preferring to stay within the United Kingdom.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-...o.25407723
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