Bernie Sanders: America Should Look More Like Scandinavia
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(2015 May 04 17:04)Gamera Wrote:  I'm afraid this forum is turning increasingly predictable in its opinions on specific subjects, and not in a good way. sad

As SK said, there's nothing wrong in his comparison. The US is in urgent need of the kind of reforms that Sweden has already undertaken decades ago, and this should be fairly obvious to anyone. Immigration-wise, liberalization policies with their closest neighbours (NAFTA) have done much more harm than any kind of extremely flexible asylum policy, which, of course, shouldn't be imitated.

Unfortunately today when Sweden is mentioned it's mainly its immigration policy that comes to mind. That being said I'm not exactly a fan either of the Social Democrats who were responsible for the making of the Swedish welfare state.
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(2015 May 04 18:17)Aptrgangr Wrote:  It is no utopia but theft when people are robbed 50+% of their incomes and that money is redistributed to others. But then, maybe 50% income taxes would do whitey good and he finally would get his ass up and remembers the "no taxation without representation"
I never knew the British government was taxing Sweden and that the Riksdag was abolished. ;)

Quote:also the Swedish welfare state has been axed massively because it no longer was sustainable anyway, Swedish welfare benefits are a joke compared to the German ones,
It is almost as if Sweden was affected by the recession and an ageing population. Not even your low tax freeeedom bollocks would alleviate the problems of the current demographic and economic realities. In fact flooding in migrants is good for this kind of system, but not for identity and social cohesion. It will need to continue until there is no Swedes, no Englishmen, no Germans and so on. And did I not say compared to the US anyway?

Quote:Until the 1960s the USA was 90% white, the browning wave started with Ted Kennedy & Co.
It was only 80% at one point before that, and a boost in white mass immigration changed that. Not to mention the weird way the US has collected statistics on race through history.

Quote:The surrender of personal freedoms for social welfare is a dangerous game, for undeprivileged ones it certainly is a win, but not for those who can care for themselves and have the pay the bill for those who can't.
Yeah man fuck the poor/unemployed/underemployed/underpaid amirite? Rolleyes

The rising wealth inequality has increased the need for welfare spending. To want to take away public services because brown people use them is madness. Far larger of a cost is pensions. Cutting everything and lowering taxes (especially for the more wealthy) exacerbates the problem. Get ready for the next financial crisis.

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Gamera Wrote:A fat commodity-fetishist and pseudo-socialist hipster. A prime example of America's late capitalist individuals to me. Big Grin

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RE: Bernie Sanders: America Should Look More Like Scandinavia
Free and liberal America, exactly 45 years ago. It hasn't gotten any better since.

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Sweden at least does not massacre its own youth.


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(2015 May 04 21:32)Surtr Kvlt Wrote:  I never knew the British government was taxing Sweden and that the Riksdag was abolished. ;)
And I never knew I was talking about that, it was about the proposal to introduce "democratic socialism" to the USA.

(2015 May 04 21:32)Surtr Kvlt Wrote:  It is almost as if Sweden was affected by the recession and an ageing population.
And how has that changed since then? What else did happen than introducing tax breaks for the rich and companies and raising income taxes for the working? Youth unemployment in Sweden still is on high levels as well.

(2015 May 04 21:32)Surtr Kvlt Wrote:  Not even your low tax freeeedom bollocks would alleviate the problems of the current demographic and economic realities.
I actually advocate tax dodging and not paying anything to a hostile entity, this is the adequate answer to demographic and economic realities albeit hardly can be achieved.

(2015 May 04 21:32)Surtr Kvlt Wrote:  In fact flooding in migrants is good for this kind of system, but not for identity and social cohesion. It will need to continue until there is no Swedes, no Englishmen, no Germans and so on. And did I not say compared to the US anyway?
I have no idea how it is "good" at least overhere migration costs more than it yields, in GB there is no net profit from mass immigration either.

(2015 May 04 21:32)Surtr Kvlt Wrote:  It was only 80% at one point before that, and a boost in white mass immigration changed that. Not to mention the weird way the US has collected statistics on race through history.
The point the USA was a white country stands, it is ruined on purpose, and now that Pedro and his families need more support the income taxes need to be risen dramatically.

(2015 May 04 21:32)Surtr Kvlt Wrote:  Yeah man fuck the poor/unemployed/underemployed/underpaid amirite? Rolleyes
I didn't say anything like that I just oppose any form of government that taxes private properties but does not allow those having been taxed to decide about the state's budget.

(2015 May 04 21:32)Surtr Kvlt Wrote:  The rising wealth inequality has increased the need for welfare spending.
So what is your proposal? Let me guess - raise taxes?

(2015 May 04 21:32)Surtr Kvlt Wrote:  To want to take away public services because brown people use them is madness. Far larger of a cost is pensions. Cutting everything and lowering taxes (especially for the more wealthy) exacerbates the problem. Get ready for the next financial crisis.
If it exacerbates the problem it would be good, maybe this leads to a change, the next financial crisis will come anyway.

Why Taxing Corporations Is Dumb
http://www.ozy.com/pov/why-taxing-corpor...%20Devices

simply raise income taxes instead, what's taxcattle bred for anyway? ;)

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(2015 May 04 22:16)Gamera Wrote:  A fat commodity-fetishist and pseudo-socialist hipster. A prime example of America's late capitalist individuals to me. Big Grin


Why do you think they are in bed with each other? Have you ever wondered why the big cats support and sponsor this kind of leftism in universities, schools, media and public discourse?

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(2015 May 04 23:35)Phlegethon Wrote:  Free and liberal America, exactly 45 years ago. It hasn't gotten any better since.

Your feudalist idols certainly never would do that.

(2015 May 04 23:35)Phlegethon Wrote:  Sweden at least does not massacre its own youth.

I wouldn't bet on that

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/swedis...ases-abort

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I've never heard a foetus described as a youth. They grow up so fast these days eyyyyyyyyyyyy

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Killing them before they become rebellous youths, that's called efficiency...

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Some more news from the democratic socialist paradise:
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I haven't really been paying attention to this debate, but what's that picture about above? What's she got on her wrist?

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