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What a shame. sad
2012 Jun 19 22:54
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‘US helicopter con puts Russia-brokered Syria solution on ice’

Quote:Washington manipulated information about a Russian cargo vessel stopped near Scotland, misleading the media in order to pressure Russia, “probably to establish some kind of no-fly zone” over Syria, analyst Vasily Kashin told RT.

­The move threatens to stall negotiations between Russia and Western powers over a solution to the Syrian conflict.

On Tuesday, a UK-based marine insurer withdrew the insurance of Russia’s MV Alaed, forcing it to take a course back to Russia.

The multipurpose twin-deck cargo vessel was reportedly going from the Russian city of Kaliningrad, where old helicopters were allegedly being repaired.

However, the vessel was halted by the Standard Club, after the US told the insurer that Washington suspected that the ship was carrying MI25 helicopters known as "flying tanks" and was heading to Syria.

“They started to use this information to pressure Russia on the Syrian issue. They are deliberately misleading the media; they were manipulating this information,” says Vasily Kashin from the Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies.

“This really open pressure is combined with a propaganda campaign and data manipulations,” he says.

The US never mentioned that these helicopters already belonged to Assad, but said simply that “Russia is sending some helicopters to Syria, without elaborating.”

“But in fact these were just old helicopters repaired in Russia. And is far as we know, it was a very limited and cheap repair. The price was really low; Syria could not even afford to replace engines. So, you can’t even say that Russia upgraded these old Soviet helicopters or expanded their capabilities,” Kashin said.

The shipment halted by the UK, Kashin says, was the fulfillment of contact obligations agreed between Russia and Syria in 2009, “long before all this Syrian unrest started.”

The contract covered the repair of Soviet MI25 helicopters, which Syria owed. The county initially had more than 30 of them, but the “inventory was in such a bad shape that they could not be repaired anymore.”

So now, “it is about sixteen helicopters which were supposed to be repaired and sent back to Syria.”

“What we see now is a huge exaggeration and huge manipulation with data, and the Americans are probably doing this in order to make some point for, probably, establishing some kind of no-fly zone and just making an impression that there are … some terrible aircraft killing civilians which need to be stopped,” Kashin suggests.

But do these helicopters really have the importance the US portrays?

Kashin says that none of these helicopters have much value, and basically “can’t really change [anything] in the Syrian situation.”

“In fact these are very old, Soviet machines and they can be very limitedly repaired just to keep them barely working,” he says.

So now, this move may really have an impact on the prospects of an agreement between the West and Russia over the situation in Syria.

If previously “Russia agreed that everything is negotiable,” now it is “unlikely that the Russian government would show weakness.”

http://www.rt.com/news/syria-us-russia-kashin-239/
2012 Jun 19 23:05
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ты кто такой? давай иди гуляй, до свидания
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Reuters Wrote:Syria shot down a Turkish warplane over the Mediterranean on Friday, risking a new crisis between Middle Eastern neighbours already at bitter odds over a 16-month-old revolt against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan said Syria had admitted it had shot down the plane and apologised, BBC Monitoring reported, citing Turkey's state news agency Anatolia.
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Interesting things are happening. USA's Sunni allies involved of course. Turkey has been sabre rattling since the jet incident and now Saudi Arabia is getting involved. Or at least not so secretly any more. Oh, and Qatar.

Either that or the mainstream media has just neglected to report a lot of things.

Maybe they are getting desperate, anyone know how Assad's forces are doing now? Making gains?

Quote:Saudi officials are preparing to pay the salaries of the Free Syria Army as a means of encouraging mass defections from the military and increasing pressure on the Assad regime, the Guardian has learned.

The move, which has been discussed between Riyadh and senior officials in the US and Arab world, is believed to be gaining momentum as a recent flush of weapons sent to rebel forces by Saudi Arabia and Qatar starts to make an impact on battlefields in Syria.

Officials in the Saudi capital embraced the idea when it was put to them by Arab officials in May, according to sources in three Arab states, around the same time that weapons started to flow across the southern Turkish border into the hands of Free Syria Army leaders.

Turkey has also allowed the establishment of a command centre in Istanbul which is co-ordinating supply lines in consultation with FSA leaders inside Syria. The centre is believed to be staffed by up to 22 people, most of them Syrian nationals.

The Guardian witnessed the transfer of weapons in early June near the Turkish frontier. Five men dressed in the style of Gulf Arabs arrived in a police station in the border village of Altima in Syria and finalised a transfer from the Turkish town of Reyhanli of around 50 boxes of rifles and ammunition, as well as a large shipment of medicines.

The men were treated with deference by local FSA leaders and were carrying large bundles of cash. They also received two prisoners held by rebels, who were allegedly members of the pro-regime militia, the Shabiha.

The influx of weapons has reinvigorated the insurrection in northern Syria, which less than six weeks ago was on the verge of being crushed.

The move to pay the guerrilla forces' salaries is seen as a chance to capitalise on the sense of renewed confidence, as well as provide a strong incentive for soldiers and officers to defect. The value of the Syrian pound has fallen sharply in value since the anti-regime revolt started 16 months ago, leading to a dramatic fall in purchasing power.

The plan centres on paying the FSA in either US dollars or euros, meaning their salaries would be restored to their pre-revolution levels, or possibly increased.

The US senator Joe Lieberman, who is actively supporting the Syrian opposition, discussed the issue of FSA salaries during a recent trip to Lebanon and Saudi Arabia.

His spokesman, Whitney Phillips, said: "Senator Lieberman has called for the US to provide robust and comprehensive support to the armed Syrian opposition, in co-ordination with our partners in the Middle East and Europe. He has specifically called for the US to work with our partners to provide the armed Syrian opposition with weapons, training, tactical intelligence, secure communications and other forms of support to change the military balance of power inside Syria.

"Senator Lieberman also supports the idea of ensuring that the armed opposition fighters receive regular and sufficient pay, although he does not believe it is necessary for the United States to provide this funding itself directly."

US defence secretary Leon Panetta said this week Washington was not playing a direct role in gun-running into northern Syria. "We made a decision not to provide lethal assistance at this point. I know others have made their own decisions."

Earlier this week the New York Times reported the CIA was operating in southern Turkey, helping allies decide which opposition fighters would get weapons.

Diplomatic sources have told the Guardian two US intelligence officers were in Syria's third city of Homs between December and early February, trying to establish command and control within rebel ranks.

Interviews with officials in three states reveal the influx of weapons – which includes kalashnikovs, rocket propelled grenades and anti-tank missiles – started in mid-May, when Saudi Arabia and Qatar finally moved on pledges they had made in February and March to arm rebel forces.

The officials, who insisted on anonymity, said the final agreement to move weapons from storage points inside Turkey into rebel hands was hard won, with Ankara first insisting on diplomatic cover from the Arab states and the US.

Turkey is understood to view the weapons supply lines as integral to the protection of its southern border, which is coming under increasing pressure as regime forces edge closer in an attempt to stop the gun-running and attack FSA units.

Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar were all allies of Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad until several months into the uprising, which now poses a serious threat to his family's 42-year rule over the country.

All three states have become increasingly hostile as the revolt has continued, with Saudi Arabia in February describing the suggestion to arm rebel groups as an "excellent idea" and Qatar having offered exile to Assad and his family.

For the first few months of this year the three states were waiting for the US to take a proactive role in intervening in Syria, something Washington has so far not seriously considered.

With a presidential election later this year, and weighed down by the troubled legacy of Iraq, Barack Obama has shown no enthusiasm for a major foreign policy play. Polling in the US has consistently shown that voters have little appetite for intervention in Syria, while officials from Washington to London and Brussels have warned of grave risks to the region which may follow the fall of Damascus.

Assad continues to cast his regime's battle for survival as an existential threat from radical Sunni Islamists, who he says are backed by foreign states.

The Free Syria Army says its members are almost exclusively Syrian nationalists who disavow the world view of jihadists who flocked to neighbouring Iraq from 2004-07. It acknowledges that some foreign Arab fighters have travelled to Syria to join its ranks, particularly in Homs and in Douma near Damascus, but claims they do not play a decisive role.

Intelligence officials say a power vacuum would provide an attractive environment for militants who espouse a global jihad world view. "The next three to six months are crucial in Syria," one official said. "The ingredients are right for them [jihadists] to turn up and start acting decisively. That would not be a good outcome."

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Syrians need to remember that they are descendants of ancient culture founders, and tell the desert savages to fuck off, oil money or not.
2012 Jun 24 00:03
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Turks seem to admit it was violation of Syrian airspace; reading all that saber-rattling in their media makes you feel as if a yet another “insulting of Turkishness” took place.

At least we know Syrian air defenses are operational, so the “regime changers” get a timely message that it won’t be a cakewalk.
2012 Jun 24 00:15
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Quote:Turkey calls Nato meeting on warplane downed by Syria

Turkey has called a meeting of Nato member states to discuss its response to the shooting down of one of its warplanes by Syrian forces on Friday.

Ankara has invoked Article 4 of Nato's charter, under which consultations can be requested when an ally feels their security is threatened, officials say.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18568207

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Am I the only one who founds this airplane downing highly suspicious?

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I very much doubt it. ;)
2012 Jun 24 14:42
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