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Quote:Tens of thousands gathered at a cemetery near Srebrenica in Bosnia on Saturday to mark the 20th anniversary of Europe's worst atrocity since World War Two, still tortured by voices of denial and the ongoing search for the dead.

Abandoned by their U.N. protectors toward the end of a 1992-95 war, 8,000 Muslim men and boys were killed by Bosnian Serb forces over five July days, their bodies dumped in pits then dug up months later and scattered in smaller graves in a systematic effort to conceal the crime.

More than 1,000 victims have yet to be found.

The bones of 136 newly identified victims will be interred beneath marble gravestones in the Potocari memorial cemetery in eastern Bosnia, in what has become annual ritual as the graves are discovered.

A U.N. court has ruled the massacre was genocide. Many Serbs dispute the term, the death toll and the official account of what went on – reflecting conflicting narratives of the Yugoslav wars that still feed political divisions and stifle progress toward integration with Western Europe.

Milorad Dodik, president of Bosnia's autonomous Serb Republic where Srebrenica is located, last month called the massacre "the greatest deception of the 20th century."
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/07/11...0120150711

The Serbian PM was stoned by Muslims at the event:

Quote:Serbia's Prime Minister has been chased from a ceremony to mark the 20th anniversary of the Srebrenica massacre by an angry crowd.

Aleksandar Vucic had just laid a flower at a monument to thousands of victims buried there when the crowd started to boo and chant 'Allahu Akbar' (God is Great).

They then hurled stones and other objects including water bottles, forcing Mr Vucic to run for cover shielded by his bodyguards.
http://news.sky.com/story/1517277/serbia...a-ceremony

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Loose transl(iter)ation:
"Go on, bomb, kill one Serb, we will kill a hundred muslims, then we'll see if the international community or anyone else can hit Serbian positions and behave like that with Serbian people."
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Blunder in the Balkans The Clinton Administration's Bungled War against Serbia

The Clinton administration has made one miscalculation after another in dealing with the Kosovo crisis. U.S. officials and their NATO colleagues never understood the historical and emotional importance of Kosovo to the Serbian people, believing instead that Belgrade's harsh repression of the ethnic Albanian secessionist movement in Kosovo merely reflected the will of President Slobodan Milosevic of Yugoslavia. The administration's foreign policy team mistakenly concluded that, under a threat of air strikes, the Yugoslav government would sign a dictated peace accord (the Rambouillet agreement) to be implemented by a NATO peacekeeping force in Kosovo. Even if Milosevic initially refused to sign the Rambouillet agreement, administration leaders believed that Belgrade would relent after a brief "demonstration" bombing campaign. Those calculations proved to be disastrously wrong.

President Clinton and his advisers justified their decision to use force with two arguments: that NATO bombing was needed to prevent a Serbian military offensive in Kosovo with attendant "ethnic cleansing," and that vigorous action was essential to prevent the Kosovo conflict from spilling over into neighboring states, thereby destabilizing the southern Balkans. Administration leaders also hoped that NATO pressure would undermine Milosevic's political power and embolden the democratic opposition in Serbia. The bombing campaign has been wholly counterproductive with regard to all three objectives.

Administration officials have committed miscalculations eerily reminiscent of faulty U.S. assumptions during the Vietnam War. Those mistakes include overestimating the effectiveness of air power; underestimating the willingness of the target government and population to fight for their homeland; and demonizing the opposing political leader, thus making a negotiated settlement more difficult.

Even if Belgrade finally capitulates, the adverse effects of the administration's actions already constitute a policy fiasco. Instability in the Balkans is far worse than before the bombing. Relations with Russia are now at their worst point since the darkest days of the Cold War. And the bombing of China's embassy in Belgrade has caused a serious rift in the Sino-American relationship. NATO's bombing campaign has produced a humanitarian catastrophe in Kosovo, the rest of Serbia, and neighboring countries. Good intentions alone cannot excuse the negative consequences of U.S. Kosovo policy.

http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-345es.html

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For some reason the western media fails to mention that UN protected areas were used as military bases and launching pads for Muslim fighters, as explained by UN Secretary General Boutros Boutros Ghali in a UN Security Council report in May, 1995:

Quote:"In recent months [Bosnian] government forces have considerably increased their military activity in and around most safe areas, and many of them, including Sarajevo, Tuzla and Bihac, have been incorporated into the broader military campaign of the [Bosnian] government’s side."

Quote:"The headquarters and the logistics installations of the Fifth Corps of the [Bosnian] government army are located in the town of Bihac and those of the Second Corps in the town of Tuzla."

Quote:"The government also maintains a substantial number of troops in Srebrenica, Gorazde and Zepa, while Sarajevo is the location of the General Command of the government army and other military installations. There is also an ammunition factory in Gorazde."

Anyhow, the U.S. likes to stir shit among South Slavs, what's new? Does the actual sequence of events leading up to the Srebrenica "genocide" even matter? Do the Serbs killed by the Bosnian 28th division matter? It is rather provocative to exploit this one sided and false narrative over and over among western politicians and media outlets, doesn't help the process of reconciliation, at all.

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The muslims there should have learned in the meantime to keep a low profile, but apparently they feel pretty safe there these days despite public opinion in Europe making an 180° turn against them thanks to Salafists and the Islamic State. They should keep in mind that what happened once (though definitely not to the extent that is claimed today) may happen again - and then for real.


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(2015 Jul 12 14:08)Phlegethon Wrote:  The muslims there should have learned in the meantime to keep a low profile, but apparently they feel pretty safe there these days despite public opinion in Europe making an 180° turn against them thanks to Salafists and the Islamic State. They should keep in mind that what happened once (though definitely not to the extent that is claimed today) may happen again - and then for real.

Did your brain go Stormfront there for a second, or what was that about? Almost everything you just said doesn't hold up in the real world.

Interesting how both the far right and far left always put trust in the Serbian side of the story, as if they are the vicitms and Croats and Bosniaks (oh especially them!!!) are Western made vechicles of their demise and destruction orchestrated by the United States, the eternal antichirst of 'uman progress.

Around 60 % of Bosnia's population is Bosniak (Bosnian muslim). 35 % Serbian. Croatia and the West (most notably the US) are and will remain a Bosniak allie in the foreseeable future, and Russia is too week for any Balkan involved strategies. Both Serbia and Bosnia are shitholes with non existing economies and no weaponry, and the Serbian government themself is under America's boot.

If there's going to be any conflict, then it will involve some Western induced isolated cases of local violence with the sole plan of destabilizing the current rulers of Republika Srbska, a bunch of corrupt thieves and hillbillies, and replacing them with those more suitable for US plans and conduct.
Americans already did it in the 2000s when they overthrew Radovan Karadžić with the help of Milorad Dodik, whom they are plotting against right now.


As for what happaned yesterday...
The former president of Serbia, Boris Tadić, and many more serbian officials were in Srebrenica, and nothing happaned. The Bosnian Croat president Dragan Čović was there (a man who basically spent the last 10 years attempting to secede the croat territories from BiH) and no incident occurred. Etc. etc.

Now, as for Vučić, the ex četnik, I really hoped everything would go accroding to protocle, but well... even though I don't agree with the mass, frustrated folks going berserk and pouring hate on a (former?) supporter of a genocidal ideology is no surprise and should had been anticipted.
And those who caused the incident were a handfull of football hooligans from Serbia (Serbian muslims). Most are arrested.
Not to tell that many shit went down in the past weeks, among other things a Serb attacking the convoy which carried the remains of the Srebrenica victims.

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Serbs are the victims of a pro-muslim propaganda swing, involving fishy mass grave stories (and especially Germans can tell a story or two about fishy mass graves propaganda tales). Back then that served America's interest. But nowadays it is getting inconvenient to stick to that story, because the muslims generally haven't turned out to be neither grateful nor loyal.

I do not think that any Serbian or Croatian government is less corrupt the government of Kosovo or Albania, but that isn't the question here.


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Should Croats also keep a low profile?

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(2015 Jul 12 14:08)Phlegethon Wrote:  The muslims there should have learned in the meantime to keep a low profile, but apparently they feel pretty safe there these days despite public opinion in Europe making an 180° turn against them thanks to Salafists and the Islamic State. They should keep in mind that what happened once (though definitely not to the extent that is claimed today) may happen again - and then for real.

I don't think the situation is as divisive in Bosnia as this video indicates. There seem to be some extreme elements here and there, but you have that everywhere there is multiculturalism, pretty much. One thing that is a bit unsavory are some of the sympathies toward Wahhabism, which was exacerbated by Mujahideen units coming in from Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, North Africa etc. We've seen the actors that have used these tactical units before. But even these people are in a very small minority.

(2015 Jul 12 19:50)Aramis Wrote:  Did your brain go Stormfront there for a second, or what was that about? Almost everything you just said doesn't hold up in the real world.

Interesting how both the far right and far left always put trust in the Serbian side of the story, as if they are the vicitms and Croats and Bosniaks (oh especially them!!!) are Western made vechicles of their demise and destruction orchestrated by the United States, the eternal antichirst of 'uman progress.

Around 60 % of Bosnia's population is Bosniak (Bosnian muslim). 35 % Serbian. Croatia and the West (most notably the US) are and will remain a Bosniak allie in the foreseeable future, and Russia is too week for any Balkan involved strategies. Both Serbia and Bosnia are shitholes with non existing economies and no weaponry, and the Serbian government themself is under America's boot.

If there's going to be any conflict, then it will involve some Western induced isolated cases of local violence with the sole plan of destabilizing the current rulers of Republika Srbska, a bunch of corrupt thieves and hillbillies, and replacing them with those more suitable for US plans and conduct.
Americans already did it in the 2000s when they overthrew Radovan Karadžić with the help of Milorad Dodik, whom they are plotting against right now.

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Yeah, you don't sound biased at all, Tvrtko. ;)

It should be pretty obvious to anyone with a triple digit IQ that the U.S. wanted to splinter Yugoslavia and that most Serbs including Milosevic, and many Croats, secular Bosnians etc, wanted to prevent that from happening. After it was clear that the split was inevitable, he sought to protect the unrepresented Serb minorities outside of Yugoslavia against various nationalists supported by NATO.

(2015 Jul 14 14:15)Heretik Wrote:  Should Croats also keep a low profile?

Yeah, we wouldn't want to muddy talks of genocide with any mention of Lašva Valley or Operation Storm. That would complicate the simplistic Hollywood narrative. ;)

(2015 Jul 13 13:10)Phlegethon Wrote:  Serbs are the victims of a pro-muslim propaganda swing, involving fishy mass grave stories (and especially Germans can tell a story or two about fishy mass graves propaganda tales). Back then that served America's interest. But nowadays it is getting inconvenient to stick to that story, because the muslims generally haven't turned out to be either grateful or loyal.

There were several cases of allegations of murders committed by Serb forces that turned out to hoaxes, or victims who'd been dead prior to the war added to lists, etc.

Quote:Jailed Serbs' 'Victims' Found Alive, Embarrassing Bosnia
By CHRIS HEDGES
Published: March 1, 1997

SARAJEVO, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Feb. 28— In a major embarrassment for the Bosnian Government, two Muslim brothers whose supposed murders were used as evidence in a highly publicized war crimes trial to condemn two Bosnian Serbs to death have been found living in a Sarajevo suburb.

The finding of the brothers has raised troubling questions about how the guilty verdict was reached. The two Serbs, currently in a Sarajevo prison, were condemned to death by a military court.

Discovery of the Muslim brothers has exposed what defense lawyers say was the undue haste of the trial, which produced no physical evidence, and the heavily charged political atmosphere that colored the judicial ruling.

The trial, which was widely covered by the international press, was used by the Muslim Government to publicize the brutal ''ethnic cleansing'' campaign then being carried out by the Bosnian Serbs.

The trial of the two Serbs, Sretko Damjanovic and Borislav Herak, in March 1993 was the first attempt by the Sarajevo legal system to try Bosnian Serbs for genocide and other war crimes. It was intended to begin a judicial process that would see those Serbs who were responsible for the killings of tens of thousands of Muslims brought to justice.

But it was also used to convince Europe and the United States that the Serbs were guilty of genocide and other crimes against humanity.

Mr. Damjanovic, 36, was found guilty, largely on a confession he later said was made under torture, of killing the two brothers and a third man, Krso Ramiz. But in yet another blow to the case, internal documents show that the Sarajevo public prosecutors office has charged three other Bosnian Serbs -- Nenad Damjanovic (not related to Sretko), Vukovic Miro and Jeftic Bozo -- with carrying out Mr. Ramiz's murder.

During the trial, Sretko Damjanovic recanted his confession and said he had been severely abused by the Muslim police until he signed the document. The court doctor confirmed at the trial that Mr. Damjanovic had four knife wounds and a broken rib that appeared to have been inflicted while in police custody.

In Mr. Damjanovic's confession, he stated that he was responsible for the killing of the two brothers, Kasim and Asim Blekic.

''The two principal pieces of evidence used to convict my client were his signed confession, where he supposedly admitted to murdering two men who we now know are alive, and the testimony of his co-defendant, Borislav Herak,'' said Mr. Damjanovic's lawyer, Branko Maric. ''How can my client's supposed confession be considered valid now? And how can the testimony of Mr. Herak, who said he witnessed these alleged murders, also be accepted by the court?''

Government officials were reluctant today to discuss the case.

Azra Omeragic, the president of the Sarajevo county court, said there would be an evaluation of the request by the defendant's lawyers for a new trial. But she added that the decision was not the responsibility of her office and had been handed over to the public prosecutor's office. She said she did not want to comment further.

The chief public prosecutor, Domin Malbasic, said the request for a retrial had not reached his office.

Mr. Herak said in the trial that he saw Mr. Damjanovic kill Kasim and Asim Blekic as well as Mr. Ramiz. He said he also saw Mr. Damjanovic kill three other people who were not identified in the trial. No other witnesses were presented.

Mr. Herak confessed to a series of war crimes that included 42 individual killings, and 16 rapes that were followed by the killing of 11 of the women. He said he also witnessed the killing of 220 civilians during Serbian campaigns of ethnic cleansing.

Kasim Blekic, who now raises sheep in a small shed next to his house in the Vogosca suburb, said he was unaware that his supposed killing had been used to indict Mr. Damjanovic until a year ago when Vogosca, which was under Bosnian Serb control, was handed back to the Muslim Government as part of the Dayton peace agreement.

Mr. Blekic, his wife and two children had fled their small home in Vogosca in May 1993 when they found themselves living along what became the front line.

His house was destroyed in the fighting. Mr. Blekic, 43, became an ambulance driver for the army during the war. He and his brother lived in Sarajevo until the fighting ended.

''I didn't return to Vogosca until last year when the Serbs were leaving,'' he said, standing next to a small, muddy pen that held about two dozen bleating sheep.

''I was buying cattle in those days from a lot of the Serbs, including many of my old neighbors. I went to see the uncle of Sretko Damjanovic, an old friend, and he said he couldn't believe I was alive. He told me his nephew had been sentenced to death for killing my brother and me. They all looked at me as if I was a ghost.''

Mr. Blekic said he knew Mr. Damjanovic and his family. He described his relationship with the condemned man as ''normal.'' He said he never saw Mr. Damjanovic in April and May 1992, when the killings were supposed to have occurred.

United Nations international police monitors showed up last summer at Mr. Blekic's new house in Vogosca, which once belonged to a Serb neighbor, to photograph him and copy the information on his identity card. But this was the last he heard from the United Nations team.

''We are the only Blekic family in Vogosca,'' he said.

At the end of last year relatives of Mr. Damjanovic reached his lawyer in Sarajevo with the news. And in December Mr. Maric filed a motion for a new trial.

Mr. Herak and Mr. Damjanovic were arrested in November 1992 by the Bosnian Muslims after their car took a wrong turn and they drove into a Muslim checkpoint.

Photo: Kasim Blekic, one of two Bosnian Muslims for whose killing two Bosnian Serbs were condemned to death, has been found living in the Sarajevo suburb of Vogosca. Mr. Blekic raises sheep in a pen next to his house. (Reuters, for The New York Times)

Anyhow, the claim that 8,000 people were killed in Srebrenica is a complete fabrication. They haven't even found more that 2,500 or so remains. They have, however, found more than 2,000 Serb remains in the outlying villages destroyed by Oric's 28th division, including women and children killed, not just fighting age men (mostly soldiers) which the Serbs killed in Srebrenica. I posted earlier the findings of the UN Secretary General regarding Srebrenica being a major military base for the Bosnian government, though it was supposed to be demilitarized under UN auspices. Yet this fact is also deliberately left out in the western Srebrenica narrative.

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(2015 Jul 13 13:10)Phlegethon Wrote:  Serbs are the victims of a pro-muslim propaganda swing, involving fishy mass grave stories (and especially Germans can tell a story or two about fishy mass graves propaganda tales). Back then that served America's interest.

Their political leaders and military commanders were a bunch of retards back in the 90ies then, for providing a steady flow of content to those trying to denigrate them.

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