British EU referendum

[Godyfa]

Here's a thread on the upcoming - this year or next - referendum on EU membership.

A couple of weeks ago I signed up as a volunteer for Vote Leave. A few days ago I received some leaflets, stickers, etc. This weekend I distributed the leaflets around the local area.

Check out their website: http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/

The PM is trying to change welfare eligibility for migrants, but the eastern Europeans don't like it. Now talk of an "emergency brake" has resurfaced:

Quote:David Cameron has discussed applying an "emergency brake" to EU immigration, in a meeting with his Czech counterpart, as he seeks a deal on his EU reforms.

Prime Minister Bohuslav Sobotka rejected Mr Cameron's proposals for a four-year ban on in-work benefits.

But Mr Sobotka said allowing states to close borders temporarily - as a "brake" - could be considered if welfare systems were under pressure.
Mr Cameron said he still wanted a benefit ban but welcomed other options.

The prime minister, who held talks with Mr Sobotka in Prague, is hoping to get a deal on his four reform demands at a summit next month so he can call an in/out referendum on whether the UK should stay in the European Union.

But the welfare element of his proposals has been resisted by Central European member states.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu...m-35383014

[Phlegethon]

A Brexit at this point would leave the UK almost totally deindustralized. From a business perspective that would be economic harakiri. At a closer look the UK is among the countries which actually profit from the EU, although the average Briton as usual is left out in such a perspective.

[Godyfa]

Who's to bet this "emergency break" will never get used?

Quote:The UK is said to be closing in on a deal that would allow it to deny in-work benefits to people from other parts of the EU for up to four years.

A source close to the negotiations with the EU said it would mean the UK could put an "emergency brake" on payments.

The UK would have to show its welfare system was overwhelmed and would need approval from a majority of EU states.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu...m-35434125

[Surtr Kvlt]

(2016 Jan 29 08:53)Godyfa Wrote:  would need approval from a majority of EU states.

Well yeah, since it will be blocked every time. Safe bet indeed.

[Godyfa]

Absurd fearmongering from from No10:

Quote:David Cameron has rejected the idea he is "scaremongering" by claiming migrant camps like the "Jungle" in Calais could move to England if the UK left the EU.

The PM said a vote to leave would give French politicians the chance to "tear up" the deal which lets UK border guards check passports at Calais.
Campaigners for the UK to leave the EU say the deal is between the two countries and not an EU deal.

UKIP said the PM's claim was "based on fear, negativity and falsehood".
The 13-year agreement with France had "nothing to do with our EU membership," said Vote Leave, while Leave.EU said there was "no reason for this to change on leaving the EU".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu...m-35519210

The border agreement is bilateral between the UK and France. It is nothing to do with the EU.

[Aptrgangr]

[Aptrgangr]

Norway’s prime minister warns that leaving the EU wouldn't work for Britain

Norway’s prime minister has warned Britain against leaving the EU – arguing that the Nordic country’s relationship with Europe would not work for the UK.

Erna Solberg said that Norway’s own arrangement – membership of the European Free Trade Area but not the EU itself – would not work for Britain. (...)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/pol...53476.html

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree...-out-lobby

[Surtr Kvlt]

Should have quotes the key parts of the Indy article that tell you all you need to know:

Quote:“She also agreed with the prime minister that Norway’s position in the European Free Trade Area but outside the EU would not work for the UK.”

Quote:Ms Solberg is the leader of Høyre, the Norwegian conservative party. Høyre is traditionally the most pro-European of all Norway’s political parties and advocates the country join the bloc in the long term.

[Osweo]

Ha, clever ruse of the Independent there! No doubt this Solberg will have a nice cushy career ahead of her...

Social democracy missed a trick by not getting itself so inextricably linked in the public imagination with social conservatism. How the hell the forces of international capital managed to do so amazes me. People vote to not let 8 month old foetuses get sliced up and to not have their kids forced to read "My Two Dads" in school, and all they actually get for the trouble is having their nation served up on the altar of the global elites.

In the reverse case here, with Podemos, people vote for social justice and to smash the elite stranglehold on power, and all they get is blasphemous public poetry recitals mocking the Our Father ("hallowed be thy cunt") and children's puppet shows portraying rapes and executions while "satirising" terrorism.

[Xmia]

(2016 Feb 13 23:57)Aptrgangr Wrote:  

Seeing Farage and Galloway blather on about how we should spurn europeans in favour of the Commonwealth, 'democracy', 'China, Iran and India', ect actually makes me nostalgic for a Union of Europeans already

if only we had had a Mosleyite EU and not a postwar liberast one though