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A British diplomat suggested visa-free travel for some Turkish nationals should be extended to the UK, documents leaked to The Sunday Times show.

She suggested the move be considered for Turkish "special passport" holders, who are mainly civil servants.

The EU backed Turks getting visa-free travel inside Europe's Schengen area, as a deal for accepting more migrants.

But the UK home and foreign secretaries said any suggestion of changing visa arrangements were "completely untrue".

The leaked telegrams, sent on 5 May by Janet Douglas, the deputy head of mission at the British Embassy in Ankara relate to the EU's own visa deal, planned as recompense for Turkish help dealing with the Syrian migrant crisis.

The deal, to allow visa-free travel to Schengen countries, was offered in return for Turkey taking back migrants who crossed the Aegean Sea to Greece. The EU fears that, without it, Turkey will not control migration.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu...m-36510009

Reminder: It's official UK government policy that Turkey should join the EU.
2016 Jun 12 11:47
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It's crazy that they are even considering giving 75 million Turks visa-free travel. It goes to show how desperate and fucked up the EU is, anything to protect their salary I suppose.
2016 Jun 12 19:20
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Another good poll for Leave from ICM. Now pro-Remain Labour talk about new "controls" on immigration. It seems desperation is setting in on the Remain side. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ed-...ar_twitter
2016 Jun 13 19:53
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Leaving the Afroasian Union (for possibly an Indo-Caribbean Commonwealth anyway) could lead to "downfall of Western civilisation:"
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Godyfa, is there a lot of signs up around York way? I've only seen UKIP and leave ones in Redcar, none around Middlesbrough - unless the one remain sign was here but I've forgotten where I saw it. Its easy to forget the referendum is going ahead around here.

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2016 Jun 13 21:04
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(2016 Jun 13 21:04)Surtr Kvlt Wrote:  Godyfa, is there a lot of signs up around York way? I've only seen UKIP and leave ones in Redcar, none around Middlesbrough - unless the one remain sign was here but I've forgotten where I saw it. Its easy to forget the referendum is going ahead around here.
Driving through west Yorkshire and Colne, Lancashire last week, I saw 4 or 5 Vote Leave signs, and no Remain signs. I've seen one or two others in my own area, but certainly not that widespread.

I'm not a big fan of anecdotes, but my conversations would generally back up what the polls are saying - young lean Remain or non-voting, middle aged and old lean Leave.

Video: Labour voters for Brexit in Stoke http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree...ndum-video
2016 Jun 14 08:32
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(2016 Jun 14 08:32)Godyfa Wrote:  I'm not a big fan of anecdotes, but my conversations would generally back up what the polls are saying - young lean Remain or non-voting, middle aged and old lean Leave.
Aye, I was asking around a bit and was told similar by a lad in journalism in London. I asked him what the general mood was, and he said like 90% of the people he worked with (youngish 30s-40s types, cosmopolites and coffee drinkers) were Remain, while the over 50s, like his parents were Leave. He's fully aware that his circles are not representative of the country as a whole, and actually thinks Leave will win. All comes down to questions of people getting up and going to vote, though, and he reckons the middle-aged are better at that. Bit like Sanders' crowd in the US, I suppose. All this young fools, many of which will hopefully not bother to vote!

"And now if a whole nation fell into that? In such a case, I answer, infallibly they will return out of it. For life is no cunningly-devised deception or self deception, it is a great truth that thou art alive, that thou hast desires, necessities: neither can these subsist and satisfy themselves on delusions, but on fact. To fact, depend on it, we shall come back: to such fact, blessed or cursed, as we have wisdom for."
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Basic_Hitler_template for the past few decades tailored for Brexit (Guardian):

Quote:This is the sound of Britain breaking.Here ends our “moderate, tolerant” self-image. Imagine Brexit wins and two years later prime minister Boris Johnson is still embroiled in quarrelsome EU exit talks. These Barking and Nottingham people will see no change, same migrants, same sense of powerlessness. Recession-hit, facing worse cuts, voters won’t blame themselves for their own folly. Old problems are unresolved – an economy reliant on City and property bubbles, low skills, low productivity, atrophied public services, hopes raised and dashed. Gove and Johnson risk losing control of the furies they have unleashed.

As high-status Ford jobs are swapped for low-paid warehouse work, indignation is diverted daily against migrants
That moment is fertile for some yet-worse demagogue who calls for throwing out migrants already here. Expect the volume to be raised against “elites” – anti-parliament, anti-politics, bored of democracy itself. Ignite hatred against Europe, blame Brussels for deliberately impoverishing us in revenge, stirring centuries-old enmities.

Blend all that with a little nationalistic leftish populism, not all of it bad: nationalise our utilities and rail, eject foreign owners from key industries and property, pump up armed forces and national pride. These are potent ingredients for militant majoritarianism, blaming minorities and minority opinions. The Human Rights Act is abolished and the BBC absorbed into government. National socialism will no doubt carry a new name – but it’s there in the making.

If remain scrapes in, David Cameron may urge the other 27 EU members towards some brakes on migration. After our near-death experience, with France’s Front National leader Marine Le Pen advancing, Poles and Hungarians screeching right and even worse threatened, some change looks necessary. Social democratic values, sharing within a community, both are threatened by an entirely open door.

Surely this can’t happen here? We’ll wake up from the nightmare on 24 June remembering we’re a moderate nation, unseduced by Pied Pipers of far right or left. Don’t count on it. We know how civilised democracies can be inflamed by racism and xenophobia. And whatever the result, where does all this anger go next?

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Norway to Britain: Don’t leave, you’ll hate it

Norway receives access to most of the bloc’s internal market through membership of the European Economic Area. That means goods, services and labor flow freely between Norway and the EU. In return, however, Norway has to adopt a large number of EU laws without having a formal say in how they are shaped. Norway also has to pay about the same amount of money into the EU budget on a per capita basis as the U.K., according to OpenEurope, a think tank that has declared itself neutral in the debate.

http://www.politico.eu/article/eu-refere...rexiteers/
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