What I think happened in the UK general election 2017
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It's been a weird one and I guess it just goes to show how divided the UK is at the moment. Here's what I think happened.

2017 compared to 2015

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2017 map above

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2015 map

Labour and the Tories

The Conservatives started off on a stronger footing and Labour was seen as ailing under Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbot. On top of that the media dug dirt up on Corbyn that showed him as quite anti-British, fraternizing with hard-line Muslims and keeping company with IRA members which didn't do him any favours. What also let him down was Diane Abbot who isn't so popular and widely considered an idiot and plays the race card when something doesn't suit her.

But Theresa May had Boris Johnson too who's also considered a bit of a clown. Corbyn initially lacked charisma and came across as some old, idealistic hippy, a throwback to the 1970s (which is partly true). He also had or has some Marxist inclinations which the media picked up on of course.

Theresa May started off stronger but soon revealed in interviews that she was lacking in charisma whilst Jeremy Corbyn seemed to find some from somewhere.
I think what killed the Conservative lead was that and Theresa May's "Dementia tax" with a manifesto with some quite bitter pills to swallow and Corbyn's offers for things like scrapping tuition fees to go to university.
Some of the things in the Tory manifesto do indeed need addressing such as paying for care for an ageing population, but such things have been avoided by almost all governments because some very unpopular moves have to be made to address them. With these in her manifesto, Theresa pretty much revived the "nasty party" image of the Tories again whilst Corbyn and all his promises put a sort of halo over his head. At the local level too Tories don't do themselves any favours by voting in favour of things like the unpopular "bedroom tax" and supporting bringing back fox hunting.

The young

Tories are never really popular amongst the young (people my sort of age, mid 20s) apart from a few snobby ones that went to private schools.
The Tories and their talk of hard Brexit to a generation that voted mostly in favour of remaining in the EU and Corbyn's promises of supporting the NHS, stopping austerity and free uni also added to this. Apparently more of this generation got out and voted for a change and this probably helped the Labour vote a great lot.

The old

Although in some places with cheap house prices the "dementia tax" would actually be beneficial and would work, just the sound of it and the fact that if you lived in an area of high house prices you'd lose out probably lost the Tories a large part of their usual old vote.
The older generations are more likely to vote Conservative, but they probably lost a lot of their vote by doing that and from Corbyn improving his image and promising goodies.

Scotland

A real shock was Scotland, how the SNP got a kicking and Tories actually did pretty well north of the border considering they were nearly extinct outside of the Scottish borders.
The SNP still holds most of the Central belt which has more seats and most of the population and most of the Tory seats are rural though.

The thinking seems to be that Nichola Sturgeon's talk of a second independence referendum scared a lot of voters away from that party. I'm not sure why this is but it might be because voters feel they don't fancy being asked every few years and it should be a generational thing, and obviously this type of vote creates divisions and upset. Also the timing with all the Brexit stuff going on and having to rejoin the EU anyway would send the UK into crisis.

But what seems weird to me is how those areas that voted against the SNP mostly voted Tory. I'd have expected Labour to have recovered more in Scotland than Tories, but maybe there's a large section of society there that is fed up of the left wing parties, with the reverse happening in England now, a swing to the left when its been going right for years, maybe a part of Scotland is turning the opposite way.

But at least the Scots can't bleat on about how they've got an English-elected Tory government for a change, because usually Tories get negligible seats there. Much of Scotland voted Tory and had these areas voted Labour instead they could be in power, or a Labour-SNP coalition at least.

The left still too weak to form a coalition

I thought before all the results came in that a Labour-SNP coalition was highly likely. This would have given the Scots their dummy for a while I'm sure, but could have been very problematic with the SNP being the party they are.
The SNP would have almost certainly got their referendum and great concessions from Labour.

But as it turned out they'd still be too many seats down to form a majority even with all the other left-wing parties put together in an awkward, pretty unworkable coalition.

Suddenly people remember Northern Ireland

So the Tories team up in a loose alliance with the Northern Irish Unionist party the DUP, with the DUP not entering a formal coalition but basically saying we've got your back.
The DUP aren't popular because they're probably more Conservative than the Conservatives, opposing things such as gay marriage and abortion so obviously are getting portrayed as evil in the press right now.
Whilst they're quite close with the Tories they will obviously create problems down the line regarding Brexit and getting concessions for Northern Ireland, but I don't think it's as unworkable as a Labour-SNP coalition.

The Tories and DUP still only have a slim majority together though, so now the election has been had it's going to be hard for the Tories to get everything they want in parliament.
Some are suggesting this will create a Brexit headache whilst others are saying it'll lead to a softer Brexit (their term not mine) with the UK remaining in more of the EU's web than the Tories first envisioned.

UKIP RIP

Poof, its gone. Without Nigel Farage's personality behind it and with its main cause completed its voters have gone back to the bigger parties that actually get into government. Also Farage choosing to become best friends with Trump probably didn't help matters either.


What will happen to the leaders?

I doubt Theresa May will resign yet, she probably will if getting Brexit through Parliament becomes impossible though. The problem for the Tories is they don't really have anyone good enough to take over from her.
Jeremy Corbyn is probably securer than he was before in Labour now, despite losing the election. And it looks like Labour aren't as dead as they were looking a few weeks ago.
And Nichola Sturgeon I think will remain in charge with the SNP for a while yet.
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The Jew fears chairman Corbyn!

Quote:Who’s afraid of Jeremy Corbyn?

Me, that’s who. And all Americans who fear for the future of the West.

By James P. Rubin

6/10/17, 9:49 AM CET

Updated 6/10/17, 10:28 AM CET

LONDON — British Prime Minister Theresa May barely survived Thursday’s election. The political damage is such that fewer and fewer observers believe she will be able to serve out her full term. Politically, it looks like Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn was the big winner, as his party surprised the pollsters and pundits (again) by gaining some 30 seats in parliament rather than losing that many or more, as was expected when the election campaign began.

With May now leading a less than stable minority government, and Corbyn energized and lionized by his unexpected success across the country, it is time to take seriously the prospect of Jeremy Corbyn—an old-school socialist who opposes NATO’s very existence as a provocation to Russia and regards U.S. foreign policy as a tool of corporate America—becoming prime minister of the UK. It could happen if May is unable to keep things together over the coming months—which also means examining the dynamic of a Donald Trump and Jeremy Corbyn duo taking over that most celebrated of international pairings, the U.S. UK “special relationship.”

One sure consequence of a Prime Minister Corbyn is that the White House would have to consider France, not the UK, as the strongest and most reliable U.S. ally in a crisis. Not only did the French election bring the West a leader who espouses values like tolerance, integration and the rule of law, but France’s President Emmanuel Macron is clear-eyed enough to recognize the danger Russia’s territorial aggression, relentless hacking and election sabotage pose to Europe and the world

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What's the influence of immigrants on this election?

It was estimated that Muslims represent 10% of the voters during the French presidential election.
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So Corbyn is the new Trump now even though we still have the old Trump. In any case he was badly underestimated, which definitely is the better alternative in politics. At least he does not only talk the talk but also walks the walk. But all the hype around him makes one assume he had won the election hands down. Unreal.


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(2017 Jun 11 10:05)Erwann Wrote:  What's the influence of immigrants on this election?

It was estimated that Muslims represent 10% of the voters during the French presidential election.

http://www.mcb.org.uk/muslim-votes-appea...-election/

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(2017 Jun 11 13:12)Surtr Kvlt Wrote:  http://www.mcb.org.uk/muslim-votes-appea...-election/

"There is no block Muslim vote, nor can we know how Muslims have voted."

Lol. Yeah, sure.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/...eater-say/

Quote:The message, signed by two Labour councillors in Walsall, said: "PASS ON TO ALL OF YOUR CONTACTS! Labour with Jeremy Corbyn is the only choice we have in this election.

"He has opposed wars in the Middle East, had lobbied for the Palestinians and even vowed to recognise Palestine immediately after he is elected.

"Who else has promised us this? For those of you who do not believe in voting, how are you going to change the system if you don't play by the system.

"Other minorities have a greater say in the country than we do even though we are one of the biggest minorities in the UK."

The message, obtained by the Guido Fawkes website and sent after the terror attacks in London and Manchester, accused the Tories of "whipping up hate and Islamophobia like Ukip the best solution for us British Muslims is to vote her out".
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Muslim areas always tend to vote Labour heavily - both the MUslims and the poor whites living there. It's because these areas are always diverse and immigrants like the Labour party and poor because Labour is the party of handouts.
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More of the Tories are the party of unemployment in many such towns with a bonus of "handout" cuts and freezes.

I've seen a "Peace Party" Muslim from Bradford stand here and take a few thousand votes here to. I think they where kicked out of Labour in Bradford. Such unknown parties standing for the first time/didn't stand previous election usually get a couple of hundred.

Shameless workshy scroungers probably don't even vote.

I want May to push through Brexit. But Corbyn is now leading a strong opposition, has weakened the neoliberal faction of Labour. This in a way sounds like the best thing that could have happened. Brexit with neoliberalism somewhat restrained.

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